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Salam

 

There are a lot of Muslims living in predominantly Christian countries, in which Saturdays and Sundays are holidays. I guess you all would agree these days are what I would like to call church days, so it has a religious significance.

 

So would it be wrong for Muslims to rest or leave there work on these days?

Would that be imitating Non Muslims?

 

I also agree we should try to stay away from it, but I want to see how honest some people are.

 

The article says:

Also banned, it says, are: watching sports or soap operas, walking dogs, family photos, wedding bands, Western hats, mingling and shaking hands with the opposite sex.

 

Oh do my jeans and combat trousers count as imitating them, do I have to stop talking English now, how about we don�t watch television at all Mr�..

 



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote layalee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 January 2008 at 8:43am

As salaamu Alakum Brother Isafril

I think you gave a good counter-debate with your latest post. But I was curious in knowing more of your personal view( if you don't mind sharing with me). Do you think their is a difference in saying 'happy holidays' then 'Merry Christmas' to non-muslims? Do you think it's permissible for Musliims to use one the phrases, all of the phrases, on none of them?

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I decided to look up exactly what Merry Christmas means.

www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract4.html - 9k

I was a bit surprised to say the least

some of us are a lot like cement:- all mixed up and permanently set
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote layalee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 January 2008 at 9:25am

Thank you very much for providing the post Martha. It's amazing when we really get a glimpse of truth.

After reading Martha post, one may want to read a lilttle more on what mass is, in my opinion it supports the above stated link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_(liturgy)



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 Continuing in the same line, I describe the state of a maulvi (imam of a Masjid of a big city). He was employed. So he was a paid servant and could not possibly be Imam. I used to go to mosque very early even before Azaan (call for prayer).

 That Imam was wearing a low grade Dhotee ( an sort of sheet wrapped around waste as under garment or lower garment). He was complaining to me about his pay being less (not enough). I told him and warned him that he will lose his job if pay is raised because with that very low pay, no maulvi would like to come to that mosque. But if the pay is raised then any one will try to replace that maulvi.

 Anyhow, looking at that Imam, i felt sorry. I looked at him and I was wondering if that was the right example of a muslims dress. I thought, if Englishman or a German becomes a muslim, will he take off his coat and pant and tie and he will get dressed like that maulvi. The answer is NO. Any one becomig a Muslim will come in the Ummah with his own national beautiful dress. The Japanese will come wearing Kimonos (am I using right word?)

 I am surprised why our religious leaders could not sort out such simple matters for us. During the struggle for independence of India (1935 to 1947), non of the maulvis supported Pakistan. The reason was that they could not see any sign of a good Muslim in Mr. Jinnah and his dress. Why cannot our religious leaders get over these simple things.

 It is good to be simple and wear simple clothes, like the most of the Indian leaders have been doing upto now. That is good for the nation. It would be difficult for the muslims to change the shape of things very soon after conversions.

 Now some people are showing the opinion of some scholars about not greeting the people of other religions. There is no verse of Quran strictly telling that. There is no Hadith too describing that. If there is any that is being misunderstood. e.g. Some one invites me to a party at his home at Christmas. I go there and join. But I do not do anything illegal there. Am i imitating the christians?? No. I would be imitating if I started celebrating christmas at my home. Can't the maulvis please understand the difference?? just attending the party is not imitating.

 Let us hear some more good news about these important things please. No harm to any one.

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Originally posted by minuteman minuteman wrote:

 

 e.g. Some one invites me to a party at his home at Christmas. I go there and join. But I do not do anything illegal there. Am i imitating the christians?? No. I would be imitating if I started celebrating christmas at my home. Can't the maulvis please understand the difference?? just attending the party is not imitating.

 

Brother (Minuteman)

So if I knew 'friends' that were having a party that was going to have alcoholic brevages and maybe even some recreational drugs. If I were going but decided not to use any of these substances and I was going to simply have a 'good time' with my friends and enjoy their company only; would that be permissable?

Because I'm not using these substance does that mean that it's not haraam for me to attend such a event?

If I attend such a event I feel that is haraam. We as Muslims are taught that we should stay away from actions and events that are of disbelievers.

Yes, a christmas party may appear to be a joyous event. Yes, it's fun to get gifts, or even  simply watch as you see a child face when they unwrap their gifts. But that does not make it 'right' for us as Muslims.

While my example may be extreme, and by no means are my intentions are to insult your intelligance or to judge your beliefs this is how I hold my beliefs.

But I'm willing to hear and maybe even gain more knowledge from how your views may differ from  mines.

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The only time my family gathers together from the several states they live in is at Christmas.  I always used this holiday to see everyone since I have neither the time nor the money to drive all over this country to visit them.  Now I am told I cannot go to these gatherings so I guess I will not see most of my family anymore.  I have yet to hear one good suggestion to fix that problem for me.  May Allah guide me on the right path.

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Peace and Ash Mabrok y'all,

I read the link. Thanks for advising to do that.

And I thought my Eid Lamb had some tough parts!

"and as long as you hate ! shirk and (the blasphemy of) Christianity, then
you are a Muslim and not a kaafir."

Christians, as people of The Book, are not kafir or enemies of Allah.

But also, quoting a page with such rot like "as long you hate" this then
"you are a Muslim" doesn't make much for a compelling argument for
"softening one's heart" to Islam.

Local Fundies in their Holiday Undies: There are so many hard-core
fundies here in my hood (the Maghreb), yet I can happily thank Allah that
they are almost always extremely gracious to my Christian friends and
family; including holiday greetings, etc.

And that, by the way, has "softened their hearts to Islam" far more than
the type of above-linked screeds on the merits of hypervigilance about
"kuffar" holidays.
Originally posted by Salams_wife Salams_wife wrote:

Now I am told I cannot go to these gatherings
so I guess I will not see most of my family anymore.� I have yet to hear
one good suggestion to fix that problem for me.



One good suggestion:

Ignore the instructions and see your family at the holidays.
Your family doesn't need to be Muslim to be loved and respected.

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