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Originally posted by layalee layalee wrote:

As salaamu Alakum Brother Isafril

I think you gave a good counter-debate with your latest post. But I was curious in knowing more of your personal view( if you don't mind sharing with me). Do you think their is a difference in saying 'happy holidays' then 'Merry Christmas' to non-muslims? Do you think it's permissible for Musliims to use one the phrases, all of the phrases, on none of them?

Salaam

Brother Israfil i shall be waiting for these answers.
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Sis Layalee , jazakiAllahu Khair, for you have answered the other posts beautifully. Even i would not have answered them that way. Thank you again.

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Also banned, it says, are: watching sports or soap operas, walking dogs, family photos, wedding bands, Western hats, mingling and shaking hands with the opposite sex.

Oh do my jeans and combat trousers count as imitating them, do I have to stop talking English now, how about we don�t watch television at all Mr�..

 

As'Salamu Alaikum brother,

Can you please explain me what did you find wrong in the sentence you quoted. Are they not wrong? It does n't stop you from watching television but watching wrong things over television is wrong. 
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Sis Martha says :

In the early days of Islam, the Prophet(pbuH) advised his people because he knew how difficult it would be for them to follow it.

Do you know sister, when the verses concerned to alcohol were revealed , people {believers} immediately, stopped consuming it and splashed all there containers. How cud these people who were addicted to it, leave it immediately. That was there faith. Sister, is it not wrong when we shake hands with the opposite sex? Photographs again are permissible when they are necessary. Its a difffrent discussion.

 

Hence all the warnings. However scholars since give their opinions. No photographs,no shaking hands. The list is endless. And scholars vary in their teachings. So now I'm supposed to fear Allah and punishment from Him because others tell me this? And when questions have no satisfactory answer  all I hear is 'Allah knows best'. 

Sis even the scholars say , 'Allah knows the Best". It is said that whenever we express our views or opinions, we are to use - this was my opinion and Allah swt knows the Best . Can any of us know better than Allah swt. He is the All-knower. He is perfect. We humanbeings, may even unintentionally occur mistakes. We are never 100 % in our answers.

Sister, alhamdullilah you have a strong faith. We pray Allah swt, to ease your path . Ameen. You trust Allah swt, thats the best thing we do.  It must be tough for you to change suddenly  as you are a revert, insha-Allah as days pass you understand these.  You trust in Allah swt, thats the best thing. 

 
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Minuteman - Zawaj.com clearly answers your questions. Its upto you.

Hi Angel

Is there anywhere in islam, well from the quran and hadith, that provides what the punishment is? And is there anything that implies that Allah will punish you for wishing a merry/happy christmas, or wishing in general for goodness and happiness at anytime whatever the religion or other festivals are?as you said

This is stated.

Among the Ummah of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) there will be people who deviated from the truth and went towards falsehood, changing and altering things. Their punishment will be that they will be kept away from the Hawd (Cistern) whilst those who adhered to the Straight Path will come and drink from it.

Bu congragulating or particiating in them we are affirming there faith and strenthening them.

Sis Salams Wife, if you remember the earlier discussion there was a link from islamonline which permits you. We are n't to break up ties with blood relations. I by now understood you and am sure you don't celebrate it and your intention is to meet your family, for which u shall be rewarded insha-Allah, since its a good deed.


 



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Yes, I remembered that discussion which had made me feel better as you said it was permissable to visit my family even during the holidays.  So at Christmas, this is what I did and Thank God I was able to see some family members I had not even seen in many years.  In my own home I did not use the decorations I have had for years.  They stayed in storage until I decide what to do with them.  I felt better that at least I stayed away from Christmas participation at home. Also, the cards I gave out to family didn't mention Christmas.  It just wished them a happy holidays and new year.

It is these latest posts that left me confused again because they don't bother to cover this area or still condemn going to these celebrations even if it is your family.  Perhaps it is best that I stay with what we decided before from islamonline.
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Seekshidayath:

As'Salamu Alaikum brother,

Can you please explain me what did you find wrong in the sentence you quoted. Are they not wrong? It does n't stop you from watching television but watching wrong things over television is wrong.

 

Waaleykumselam brother

 

Well bro is there any need to even explain this�..

 

I don�t understand what strong relation there is between imitating Non Muslims and watching sports, soap operas, taking a dog out for a walk, or wearing a �western� hat etc. Since when have sports, soaps, dogs or some cloths become a �western� art that we can not imitated or touch.

 

Just to add I don�t watch or do any of the above, I understand why you say it is wrong, I would agree with you on the same reasons im sure. But cant we just let people use common sense when it comes to these things.

 

People dwell on Christmas and are right in many ways, like I said I also agree we should try to stay away from it, but what about the others, how do you, I, we or these people in question explain or what excuse do we have for the 100s of other things which could be classed as imitating others or the two I specifically asked, Saturday and Sunday holidays.

 

Salams_wife:

The only time my family gathers together from the several states they live in is at Christmas.  I always used this holiday to see everyone since I have neither the time nor the money to drive all over this country to visit them.  Now I am told I cannot go to these gatherings so I guess I will not see most of my family anymore.  I have yet to hear one good suggestion to fix that problem for me.  May Allah guide me on the right path.

 

Sister this might sound abit ....... and I don�t know if it would be a good idea either but why don�t you try to invite them over to your house, or at least make sure the elders come, im sure everyone would follow them.

 

I mean for you it is just the gathering and eating the bird, plus it is your house, so it will be your rules, no swine and alcohol, just tell them you got everything sorted out

 

It does sound like you will be sabotaging some peoples Christmas but hey just tell them you turned into something like a health activist and how people live longer without toxins.

 

Just thought ill throw in a few ideas, but on a serious note, I hope Allah helps you out with this one.

 

 



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asalamu alaykum imp87,

Actually, my mother's family (which is spread out the most in different states) doesn't drink.  They are all pentecostal so that is not a problem.  I can never remember alchohol being at my granma's house where they meet.  They are just too religious for that.

As for them coming to my house, not possible, I live 10 hours drive from my nearest relative.  They are closer together than I am to them.

Thanks for your advice though.  At least you tried to help.



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Visiting family. during non-muslim holidays.......such a tough and touchy subject to decide on.

I am the only muslim in my family, so trust me I know the challenges....

In the end Allah knows our heart and intention. While this is not really a 'answer', sister ( Salams_wife) I feel you should remain rightous but do what you feel is 'right' in such a situation. Truth of the matter is we may all hold opinions but in the end only Allah(swt) can judge us.

 
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