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As'Salamu Alaikum,

If you were directing it to me. them Maryah, i wish you to directly quetsion me. It was unintentional if i missed your posts. I did reply to the fatwa you posted. Any other clarifications, you can address them to me. I shall try to let u know, if i have knowledge of it.

Minuteman jazakAllah, was requestioning. Israfil, am sorry if i hurted, but there, i was trying to expalin my point of view, and that term was general. Anyways, who's stopping you to give charity. Spend it, like any other day.

Israfil wrote: Maryah if I do not personally address your post that means I am in agreement with it. Same with anyone else here. Its easy to say nobody responds to you because of a woman (because victimhood is easier) but on my end no that is not the case.

wa alaikum bro Isafril:
No, I am not implying victimhood, some brother feel it is impolite to address a woman, period. I just wish to let others know I am not troubled by anyone addressing me.

Bro Seeks:
Thank you for the added information. I will add it to my info base and mark it for study this semester. I will continue to reply to holiday greetings with peace be to you. It is a better greeting for sure. I will not do Happy holidays, we have our Eids. they do not wish me Eid mubarak!

seekshidayath wrote: Those who deny Prophethood of Prophet Mohammed PBUH are indeed kaafirs. Read this also. 98:6 Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings. (Picktall)   Here also the word used for disbelieve is kafara. Specifically from the above ayah you can see that. Ahle kitaab and Mushrikeen as categorised as two groups. But their act of disbelieving Prophet(Bayyinah) is considered kufr.

That is a willful distortion of a beautiful and direct surah.  So, instead of approaching the Holy Quran selectively to make your point (something, ironically. the opponents of Islam also have no shame in doing) here is the small and clear surah 98 (which you quoted) in full.

bismillah

1    Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, were not going to depart (from their ways) until there should come to them Clear Evidence,-
2    An apostle from Allah, rehearsing scriptures kept pure and holy:
3    Wherein are laws (or decrees) right and straight.
4    Nor did the People of the Book make schisms, until after there came to them Clear Evidence.
5    And they have been commanded no more than this: To worship Allah, offering Him sincere devotion, being true (in faith); to establish regular prayer; and to practise regular charity; and that is the Religion Right and Straight.
6    Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.
7    Those who have faith and do righteous deeds,- they are the best of creatures.
8    Their reward is with Allah. Gardens of Eternity, beneath which rivers flow; they will dwell therein for ever; Allah well pleased with them, and they with Him: all this for such as fear their Lord and Cherisher.

Ayat number 5 is the linchpin for understanding.  Read it and re-read it.  Hopefully the desire to appear correct won't win out here.

Before you dig up the warhorse ayats, hadiths and the odd fatwa regarding blindly obeying the messenger, save it.  I'm taking issue with your misuse of the word kafir in regards to particular surah - that's it.

seekshidayath wrote: Morever, Quran uses ahle-kitaab as category of kuffaar not as different state of faith.

By your understanding:  That means all the places in the Quran that we are to understand all that the Righteous Jews, Christians, followers of Zoroaster etc. who are promised paradise... that they are all also kufar because they won't follow Mohammed.  

I see that the team of monkeys working around the clock to help Israfil with his cut-and-paste correspondence course logic threads have jumped ship and started helping with your posts.

I don't appreciate distorted uses of the Quran for plebeian in-fighting.








Edited by Jamal Morelli

Assalamo Alaykum

Brothers, propagate in a gentle way, don�t argue without basis and when asked question, ask in a modest way in such a way that both will be pleased with each other. In every dispute or argument, go back to Hadith and Quran to settle the dispute, but tell the truth no matter how painful it could be.

It is not good to bad mouth or to throw insults either. Check both your temper, and discussed this in most decent way.Anger is from satan and he(satan) is our enemy...