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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 March 2008 at 4:05pm

Mr. Minuteman,

The persons that would qualify the verse you mentioned are the Muslims as this ayah were mentioned in the Quran:

 

And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers� [Aal- �Imraan 3:81-85]


Allah will only accept the good deeds of those who has sound belief and will reject the deeds of those who has committed the biggest injustice against Allah. As a proof read the many verses below.


�This is the Guidance of All�h with which He guides whomsoever He will of His slaves. But if they had joined in worship others with All�h, all that they used to do would have been of no benefit to them. Quran 6:88


�And indeed it has been revealed to you (O Muhammad ), as it was to those (All�h's Messengers) before you: "If you join others in worship with All�h, (then) surely (all) your deeds will be in vain, and you will certainly be among the losers." Quran 39:65

 

And those who had committed a great injustice to Allah, like Christians, Jews and other religion that put partner with Allah are doomed to Hellfire and they will abide therein forever.

 

�But those who reject Our Ay�t (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and treat them with arrogance, they are the dwellers of the (Hell) Fire, they will abide therein forever(7:36)

�It is not for the Mushrik�n (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of All�h), to maintain the Mosques of All�h (i.e. to pray and worship All�h therein, to look after their cleanliness and their building, etc.), while they witness against their ownselves of disbelief. The works of such are in vain and in Fire shall they abide. Quran 9:17


"Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with Him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin" Quran 4:48

�Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "All�h is the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: "O Children of Israel! Worship All�h, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with All�h, then All�h has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode . And for the Z�lim�n (polytheists and wrong�doers) there are no helpers. Quran 5:72


I think I have shown enough verses in support to this topic Mr. Minuteman and its your choice to ignore it or not. The Prophet said: "Tell the truth no matter how bitter it is" if it means to guide a person. It is very important for us to know the deeds that will lead us to Jannah as well as deeds that will throw us all in Jahannam.

May Allah instill more faith in our hearts and would give us enough understanding to accept His warnings, ameen.
And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. Quran33:59
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 March 2008 at 7:13pm

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 March 2008 at 10:53pm

As'Salamu Alaikum,

Our Mods are active Ron Webb  They shall look over it.

Yes, i shall edit that sentence of mine. Its PEACEFUL NON-MUSLIMS, which you termed in all your post.

Truthlight, let us not answer him any unless he proves from Quran and sunnah that so called  peaceful NON- muslims are n't kafirs { disbelievers}

Yes, muslims also get there punishment . Just by being a muslim we don't escape from it. {Allahumma ajirni minan naar}  May Allah swt save us from hell fire. But the point of discussion is not that. What we say is support your sentence that Peaceful Non-Muslims are n't kafir . And remember kafir is n't a word of abuse, Its a tern used for disbelievers.

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 March 2008 at 3:18am

 

 O.K. I have now understood the matter and I would ask you whether it is allowed to make pact with the Kuffar?? Any kind of pact of peace etc.?? Is there any peace for the Kuffar from the Muslim side?? Please reply.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 March 2008 at 8:20am

Does "islam" in that verse being used to mean submitting to GOD, or is it a noun?

If it means submitting then the majority of Christians do submit to GOD.  Of course there are "bad" Christians just as there are "bad" Muslims!!

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16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 March 2008 at 4:15pm

Obviously you have different definition of KUFFUR Mr. Minuteman. Kuffur is an Arabic text linguistically means a covering or concealing. While in the anatomy of eeman, the kuffur means disbelieving in Allah and His Messengers, whether the disbelieve is associated with denial, doubts, suspicion, aversion, jealousy, arrogance or following whims which deters from adhering to the Message.  Those example that you have asked, has been clearly stated in the Quran to where they will belong- KUFFUR.


This is as far as I can go. When the Quran says yes, then yes. Regarding the translation and interpretation of the Arabic Text, which you mentioned in other topic, Mr. Minuteman, I cannot debate you on that. Because you and I have no capability to challenge those scholars who works so hard just to study the Quran.


You want those scholars to change the term from � those who disbelieve� to � those who are enemies of Islam��? You want them to twist what was written in the Quran just to suit someone else?? That is how the Bible were corrupted, the people doing edition, deletion, addition and so and so forth to the Bible until the original message of Allah was lost and the invention of Paul replaced what should be the right Command of Allah.


Do you think that those scholars who have dedicated their entire life just to serve Allah will gamble it just to suit some people�s whims? Many of those scholars were persecuted because of what they firmly believe.Try to read the history behind those ayah you mentioned (Quran 47:4) and know the reason why those ayah were revealed to the Prophet..You are making your own castle in the hellfire if you say a lie about the Prophet how much more twisting the words of Allah? Mr. Minuteman read this verse and try to understand it thoroughly�

 

Verily, those who disbelieve in Allah and His Messengers and wish to make distinction between Allah and His Messengers (by believing in Allah and disbelieving in His Messengers) saying, �We believe in some but reject others,� and wish to adopt a way in between.  They are in truth disbelievers. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating torment� [al-Nisa� 4:150-151]

And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. Quran33:59
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 March 2008 at 7:08pm

Originally posted by minuteman minuteman wrote:

 O.K. I have now understood the matter and I would ask you whether it is allowed to make pact with the Kuffar?? Any kind of pact of peace etc.?? Is there any peace for the Kuffar from the Muslim side?? Please reply.

It took over 7 - 8 pages for you to understand the matter

Yes, we can make peace treaties. Who said no to it ? You kindly brush off these thoughts that we are to hate these kuffars or wage wars against them. It depends of the conditions and situations to deal with them either with peace or war. Right now, we are dealing with the discussion of your point - NON-PEACEFUL ahle kitaab are only kafirs and we say all those who disbelieve in Allah SWT and His Messenger are kafirs. Kafir means rejector of truth. And they do reject it. Is is not simple for you to understand.

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 March 2008 at 7:20pm
Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Does "islam" in that verse being used to mean submitting to GOD, or is it a noun?

If it means submitting then the majority of Christians do submit to GOD.  Of course there are "bad" Christians just as there are "bad" Muslims!!

To make it more simple ,Islam means to submit our will to the commands of Allah swt. And one of the commands of Allah is that a believer in Islam shud believe in Allah, His messengers, His revealed books , Angels --. Here we are n't discussing of bad christians or muslims. The point of discussion is are christians and jews amongst kuffars { disbelievers of islam}. So kindly stick over the subject.

Minuteman you must be reading this chapter many a times. Am speaking of Chapter - Al -Asr.

By Al-`Asr. Verily, man is in loss. Except those

who believe and

do righteous deeds,

and recommend one another to the truth,

and recommend one another to patience"

These four conditions are must for us to qualify in Jannah. You must knowing that the scholars say that if a man ponders atleast over this one single chapter then is enough for him. It is concised but holds lots in it. The very first condition is one who believe. And you know very well what are we to believe in. It is a must for a believer to believe in His messenger too.

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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