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Originally posted by Arabian Arabian wrote:

Hey, have we forgotten Suleyman's wonderful post about women?

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1309& ; ;PN=1

Brother i am so far away from the board for 6 months...insh'allah i will be back with my writings...make duas for me....wa salaam...

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a note,the article i have conducted to the board belongs to islamicity main webpage which we so many times missed their great efforts on the site while in the hurry of entering to the board...before entering to the board please check their works;a great team working on,may Allah bless them all...
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Originally posted by Jenni Jenni wrote:

Sandra, you don't get the fact that culture and religon are two seperate things. In India there is a practice of TorI TorI where the husband or mother in law of the bride throw carosene on the girl and light her on FIRE<YES BURN HER ALIVE!!!!! This is being done mainly by Hindus and thousands of women are being affected every year. What is the reason for this??? THE WOMEN DIDN'T GIVE ENOUGH OF A DOWRY FROM THERE FAMILY!!! Yes thats it, Money. The guy does not want to have to get a legal divorce marry a new woman because he will have to pay alimony so he just burns the current one. Then he hopes to marry a new bride and get another dowry from her family. Now I as a muslim who has hindu friends know that this is not part of there religon. I would never be ingnorant to say, Hey why are you Hindus doing this? It is a cultural practice, and does not there plight enrage you as much as the muslim womens???

Jenni dear, i am not the one to blame saying its what Islamics do and what they do they say its what allha tells them to do, ITS THEM THEMSELVES TELLING US WESTERNERS WHEN WE ASK WHY THEY DO THIS, im only going by what they tell and say to us and these 100s of women that i have spoken and trying to help out, do you think really that i have said this out of my own will because im not a muslim women???? please

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Originally posted by sandra sandra wrote:

Originally posted by Jenni Jenni wrote:

Sandra, you don't get the fact that culture and religon are two seperate things. In India there is a practice of TorI TorI where the husband or mother in law of the bride throw carosene on the girl and light her on FIRE<YES BURN HER ALIVE!!!!! This is being done mainly by Hindus and thousands of women are being affected every year. What is the reason for this??? THE WOMEN DIDN'T GIVE ENOUGH OF A DOWRY FROM THERE FAMILY!!! Yes thats it, Money. The guy does not want to have to get a legal divorce marry a new woman because he will have to pay alimony so he just burns the current one. Then he hopes to marry a new bride and get another dowry from her family. Now I as a muslim who has hindu friends know that this is not part of there religon. I would never be ingnorant to say, Hey why are you Hindus doing this? It is a cultural practice, and does not there plight enrage you as much as the muslim womens???

Jenni dear, i am not the one to blame saying its what Islamics do and what they do they say its what allha tells them to do, ITS THEM THEMSELVES TELLING US WESTERNERS WHEN WE ASK WHY THEY DO THIS, im only going by what they tell and say to us and these 100s of women that i have spoken and trying to help out, do you think really that i have said this out of my own will because im not a muslim women???? please

Hey jenni you tell me that Hindus do this to a girl, well how can i believe this like most in here tell me "oh this such thing cant be going on with real muslim believers?" well jenni im not closed minded and yet if this does happen in Hindu well i wouldnt be suprised.  But i feel pitty for most muslim believers that dont want to face facts, i tell you why because they are afraid to face reality, they dont want to believe that in there religion murder in cleansing their honour is legal.  They keep telling me that these muslims that do this are not really following there religion, well bullsh*t, they follow it alright and its legal even if they dont want to accept it, its a form of Islamic extremist legal believe in the true Islamic religion.  Because they tend to live in more liberated countries they assume this is not going on with those that preach to allah and are true muslims, but they have it wrong. 

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SANDRA MURDER or honor killings is not legal in our religon, that is not what you understand. People with knowledge understand that. Yes adultery or premarital sex is illegal for a man or woman in an Islamic society when they have those laws in place but very few countries do. And there must be four witnesses to attest to this. People have used culture and religon to hide behind thier bad deeds from the beggining, all people. However religon has freed people from bondage and many bad cultural practices but not all. I think you have an Islamaphobic attitude and are targeting what some ignorant muslims are doing. Instead of focusing on the larger picture of girls and womens rights worldwide. I have given you two other examples of India and China and I could go on for days about the suffering of women but you would still be stuck on this issue. And Sandra don't be naive anyone can wright a book and say anything they want!!!
You cant be a good muslim if you are not decent and have a cold heart. Be a decent and kind person and care for women and children and the elderly.
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Originally posted by Jenni Jenni wrote:

SANDRA MURDER or honor killings is not legal in our religon, that is not what you understand. People with knowledge understand that. Yes adultery or premarital sex is illegal for a man or woman in an Islamic society when they have those laws in place but very few countries do. And there must be four witnesses to attest to this. People have used culture and religon to hide behind thier bad deeds from the beggining, all people. However religon has freed people from bondage and many bad cultural practices but not all. I think you have an Islamaphobic attitude and are targeting what some ignorant muslims are doing. Instead of focusing on the larger picture of girls and womens rights worldwide. I have given you two other examples of India and China and I could go on for days about the suffering of women but you would still be stuck on this issue. And Sandra don't be naive anyone can wright a book and say anything they want!!!

Jenni how nieve do you think i am??? do you really think i only go buy one book i have read?? please now im lauging, i work with Islamic women you dont know my trade so therefore you will not understand what i know to the fact that remains in Most Islamic countries it still states as fact that these killings are accepted by Islamic law because its cleansing the name of honour.  Point blank.  I know what goes on in most of the countries like china and korea and tibet where i have also visited and lived for a couple of years.  To say what i know, i only say what i witness, not by one single book dear.

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Perhaps I need to post it here.



Originally posted by Suleyman Suleyman wrote:

A Letter to the Culture that Raised Me
6/27/2005 - Social Religious - Article Ref: IC0506-2723
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By: Yasmin Mogahed
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Growing up, you read me the Ugly Duckling. And for years I believed that was me. For so long you taught me I was nothing more than a bad copy of the standard.

I couldn't run as fast or lift as much. I didn't make the same money and I cried too often. I grew up in a man's world where I didn't belong. 

And when I couldn't be him, I wanted only to please him. I put on your make-up and wore your short skirts. I gave my life, my body, my dignity, for the cause of being pretty. I knew that no matter what I did, I was worthy only to the degree that I could please and be beautiful for my master. And so I spent my life on the cover of Cosmo and gave my body for you to sell. 

I was a slave, but you taught me I was free. I was your object, but you swore it was success. You taught me that my purpose in life was to be on display, to attract, and be beautiful for men. You had me believe that my body was created to market your cars. And you raised me to think I was an ugly duckling.

But you lied. 

Islam tells me, I'm a swan. I'm different-it's meant to be that way. And my body, my soul, was created for something more. 

God says in the Quran: 'O mankind, We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another (not that you may despise each other). Verily, the most honored of you in the sight of God is the one who is most righteous� (Quran 49:13).

So I am honored. But it is not by my relationship to men. My value as a woman is not measured by the size of my waist or the number of men who like me. My worth as a human being is measured on a higher scale: a scale of righteousness and piety. And my purpose in life-despite what the fashion magazines say-is something more sublime than just looking good for men. 

And so God tells me to cover myself, to hide my beauty and to tell the world that I'm not here to please men with my body; I'm here to please God. God elevates the dignity of a woman's body by commanding that it be respected and covered, shown only to the deserving-only to the man I marry. 

So to those who wish to 'liberate' me, I have only one thing to say: 

Thanks, but no thanks.

I'm not here to be on display. And my body is not for public consumption. I will not be reduced to an object, or a pair of legs to sell shoes. I'm a soul, a mind, a servant of God. My worth is defined by the beauty of my soul, my heart, my moral character. So, I won't worship your beauty standards, and I don't submit to your fashion sense. My submission is to something higher. 

With my veil I put my faith on display-rather than my beauty. My value as a human is defined by my relationship with God, not by my looks. So I cover the irrelevant. And when you look at me, you don't see a body. You view me only for what I am: a servant of my Creator.

So you see, as a Muslim woman, I've been liberated from a silent kind of bondage. I don't answer to the slaves of God on earth. I answer to their king.

 

Yasmin Mogahed received a B.S. in psychology from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. She is currently a graduate student in Journalism/Mass Communications at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and working as a free lance writer. 



Peace,
Arabian
�...the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before We clove them asunder, and We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?�
(The Quran, 21:30)
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thats really hit the nail on the head,i  almost thought i  wrote that myself!to all concerned I LOVE ALLAH AND I LOVE BEING A MUSLIM,ALLAHU AKBAR!
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