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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 March 2008 at 2:10am

 

 Seeks I had understood your point long ago. What I mentioned now was your edited sentence which I had not understood. Please be sure that I understand what you are saying. You say that even the peaceful Jews and Christians and peaceful people of other faiths are all Kafirs. That is your stand. I hope I had understood the right thing.

 My stand is that any peaceful person who does not oppose or fight Islam is not a kaafir. I will try to present the proof to you when available. Until then you please stick to your belief and I will do to mine. Thanks.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 April 2008 at 6:29am

I can't believe a just GOD would punish one that believes in HIM completely but not Mohammad. 

I know Mohammad was an Allah fearing man, but I would never want to follow in his footsteps.

I want to follow in the footsteps of Jesus- mainly because of His compassion, love of fellow man no matter their station in life.  His beautiful sermon:

"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.

Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

 

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16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 April 2008 at 2:17pm

 

 Believer, believe what you like. There is no compulsion. If you will do any good then it will be for you and your children. On the other hand if you are misguided or narrow minded and biased person then that will be bad for you and your children.

 Remember that you should seek and follow guidance properly if you want your future generation to benefit. They are most likely to follow you. So if you are misguided then you will misguide them.

 You have very little or no real knowledge about Muhammad. What you have written above from Jesus is very good. It is alright. We also believe in such things and there are similar good things from Muhammad too. We have Jesus too. We are not without Jesus. But you have nothing except Jesus. So please yourself. There is no harm to us if you teach us something good. Thanks. Welcome.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 April 2008 at 5:25pm
I have much more then just Jesus, I have the One True GOD.  Or rather I should say He has me.
John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 April 2008 at 7:40pm

Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

I can't believe a just GOD would punish one that believes in HIM completely but not Mohammad.

I can't believe a just God would punish someone because they don't believe in Him anyway.  It is our actions, and particularly the way we treat other people, that make us good or bad people, worthy of reward or punishment.  Not our beliefs.  Why should He care one way or another what I think of Him?  Is He that vain?

God doesn't need me to believe in Him, or to worship Him, or to serve Him, or anything else.  God doesn't need me at all.  Other people need me, but not Him.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 April 2008 at 1:02am
Right, Allah doesn't need us. But WE need Him. No punishment would be worse than the regret and sadness of an unbeliever soul on the Last day, when the soul would grievingly see the truth which has been refused by it only because of selfishness ...  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 April 2008 at 5:11am

Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

I have much more then just Jesus, I have the One True GOD.  Or rather I should say He has me.

 Believer, which ever the way you go (you have one True God), please do not under estimate others. They have a God too. And they have the real and true Jesus and Moses and Muhammad. Of course the One True God is also there with the Muslims.

 We are happy that you have much more than Jesus. That is your God. (Does it mean you have the God beside and in addition to Jesus?) Good for you. Be happy with your Jesus and your God. Enjoy.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 April 2008 at 5:56am

I agree with Myahya, Allah does not need me.

I think of the profound difference of doing just "good works" for the sake of "doing good"  and doing it for the love of Allah. There is nothing more profound then to love Allah.

Believer: as person raised in the Catholic tradition I cn aunderstand your feeling for Jesus. I have bene reading and learning more about Mohammed. And he was truly a remarkable man. Actually some of the thigns he did were stunning because  that manifested in his love of Allah. A truly beautiful person. Just like Jesus.

When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi
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