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herjihad
Senior Member Joined: 26 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2473 |
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Bismillah, Brother Yusuf's response was eloquent and measured. Thank you. However, Sister Ummah pointed out your one weak point. (Can't you even be as nice as the Christian and Jewish women, screams out to be responded to, and she did.) I noticed that you said that it is not forbidden anywhere in the Qur'an and Sunnah for a woman to lead men in prayer. That is an important point. If the prayer leader were to wear full burqa or niqab or some similar dress, wouldn't that address your point of men's wandering, lustful eyes? |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Shams Zaman
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Dear Brothers and sisters As Salam O Alikum We must acknowledge taht Islam was completed 1400 years ago by Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) and now we can not add or delete anything from it. Indeed according to the changed circumstances we can mold ourselves within the limits laid down by Quran and Sunnah. As to the women attending the prayers in congergation, it is very clear that they are not bound to. However if they want to attend the prayers in mosque they can do so with certain conditions, that they should not be ahead of or shoulder to shoulder to teh men (not because they are inferior etc but because men should concentrate on God rather than to on women). They can also lead the prayers of women only and while standing in the leading row and not ahead of the first row. This permission was granted by The Holy Prophet to the Lady Um-e-Warqa (RA). As far as the question of women leading the mixed congergation is concerned indeed it is not permitted. The word "Muslim" means to surrender one's will to the will of Allah. So if we have to be a Muslim we have to surrender completely if we are not convinced well sorry there is no other way just taht we may adopt some other religion. At the end we will be the loser in the hereafter. If the wives and daughters of Holy Prophet have not lead the prayers it is clear that there is no provision for that. If there would have been one those ladies would have been the first one to do that. Indeed we can't mold the rituals of Islam according to our wishes otherwise Islam will become a joke and not a religion with everyone practicing according to his own will and understanding. Shams zaman |
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Mustafaa
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The prayer was not only led by a woman but also men and women prayed shoulder to shoulder. A great call indeed for the sexy-ization of prayer and secularization of Islam! |
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There is no deity but Allah. Muhammad is the (last) Messenger of Allah.
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herjihad
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Bismillah, The underlying discussion that we may not interperet things for ourselves and everything was decided before for us destroys the heart of an active, converting Islam. Well, maybe some people like that, of course, but not me and many like me. I understand clearly this is how many people believe, and that is fine for you. I'll try to be diplomatic to encourage dialog amonst us Muslims. So please, I implore all of you who believe this way not to insult all the Believing Muslims like myself. Don't label us non-believers. We will have to ignore you then, and you might have something worthwhile to contribute to us if you would stop ranting about doing everything the way you think it should be done. We listen and think and make serious decisions, and some of us lead, like this sister in New York. (Yeah, I know she made some mistakes. Maybe she does too. Leaders do that when they get out there and take charge of an important situation.) We are here, and Al-Hamdulilah, we are Muslimeen. We love the Holy Prophets, Salat et cetera. Let's stop exchanging cruel words when we could unite against poverty and injustice and things like that. And I have been appointed a leader because my children hear me when I encourage them to love their Deen. So Allah, SWT, has guided me, and ISA I will help guide them. Maybe they will lead in prayer one day, and make big leadership decisions that everyone else talks about. (Count your lucky stars my girls are conformists. They'll be with me with the sisters in the back, or the side depending on the mosque we are at.) Let's look for the good things in each other to agree with frequently, and then just sometimes we could remind each other of all the other things we disagree about. Really, we heard you when you said people who don't believe like you are going to hell et cetera. There's no need to repeat that. Back to the main topic: Kudos to the Leader/Sister from New York. |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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AhmadJoyia
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Hi Everyone! Can't we just look at the facts and evidences on this issue more objectively than the stories or myths created around Islam by cultural fences? I guess, only then we shall be able to find the solution to the problems that we face. I really appreciate the analysis of Bro Yousaf and shall form the basis of what come next in the following few lines . Having said this, however, I do realize that more than 90% of our mosques all aournd the world, are seperating the women's place of prayer far beyond the acceptable norms of sunnah (if at all, they have such a place for them), just based on blind fears of cultural backwardness. This kind of treatment to women is bound to cause, in the reaction to it, to what had happened in the NY last Jumma. You may admit it or not, the matter is far beyond being just the women leading the prayer. I am sure, if proper sunnah would have implemented, much less ripples would have been created. Let's remove un-necessary barriers created in our mosques and let our women pray as it has been the case at the time of our prophet. Let the most educated among us (male or female) give us Khutbahs and sermons at other occassions, however, let the imam be the most pious male among us. Yes, we can have someone else (other than imam) to give Khutbah and then imam lead the prayer subsequently. Let the women also participate in decision making or other processes concerning mosques or Islamic centers. Let there be proportional representation of both men and women in the excutive committees of their respective centers. Let the racism of any kind not find its roots among us and be fair in our dealings with everyone. Any other thoughts, kindly suggest or critcize but tolerate others. Cheers! |
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haya
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Salamalikumm to all who deserve it from Allah. MY dear brothers and sisters. We can discuss this matter at hand as much as we want however we will not be able to conclude and make everyone agree.THerefore let us spend our time and health in the path of Allah through which Allah will fix thes corruptions from behind the veil. ALso the ones who r showing the fabricated hadith shud also understand that all ahadith r not fabricated and that many brothers and sisters here have also stated AUTHENTIC ahadith as long as we believe in ahadith(BUkhari etc... and Quran). So clearly proven, women Are not allowed to lead prayers. If more information needed, just look above at those authentic ahadith and QURAN ayah please. For true believers much words are NOT needed for remembering death and judgement. however for the rest no matter how much we write and write and speak it WILL NOT enter the hearts if Allah has veiled their hearts.may Allah save us Ameen.
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