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Alibaba
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Nice cutting and pasting - real intellectual response: Here's some more cutting and pasting; we could do this all day: Muslims claim: "MUHAMMED IS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH."
The Mullahs claim that the word "prophet" as used of Muhammed, is the same as "Spirit" in John 16, so Muhammed is the Comforter. Of course, this is patently absurd since the two words are NOT the same in the Greek, which was the language Jesus was speaking. "Spirit" is PNEUMA. "Prophet" is PROPHETES-- No similarity at all in Bible usage. ANSWER: I John 4:1, Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. The prophet Muhammed did confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, but there are two more tests of a prophet in the same context: I John 4:15, Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. ***EDITED*** John also gives one more test of the alleged prophet Muhammed: I John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? ***EDITED*** Edited by Mishmish |
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AbRah2006
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Hey Alibaba...You make so many slanders against Islam, Muhammad and Allah so I will refute your ***EDITED*** statements one by one soon! Edited by Mishmish |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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Alibaba
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Oh I see they edited Abrah's post. I wonder why - he has such a marvelous insight into things. Well, tea time tots - I'll pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance for you.
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BMZ
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Ali Baba, Questiona time, again. From you: "I'll pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance for you." Is it the same Holy Spirit that went to or was sent to the Jews earlier? |
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AbRah2006
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Nice cutting and pasting - real intellectual response: Here's some more cutting and pasting; we could do this all day: Muslims claim: "MUHAMMED IS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH."
The Mullahs claim that the word "prophet" as used of Muhammed, is the same as "Spirit" in John 16, so Muhammed is the Comforter. Of course, this is patently absurd since the two words are NOT the same in the Greek, which was the language Jesus was speaking. "Spirit" is PNEUMA. "Prophet" is PROPHETES-- No similarity at all in Bible usage. ANSWER: I John 4:1, Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. The prophet Muhammed did confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, but there are two more tests of a prophet in the same context: I John 4:15, Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. ***EDITED*** John also gives one more test of the alleged prophet Muhammed: I John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? ------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Alibaba's statement: The prophet Muhammed did confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, but there are two more tests of a prophet in the same context: I John 4:15, Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. My response: Jesus is not the son of God! Jesus is not the son of God for Jesus is the son of Mary. That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him! When He decrees a thing. He but says to it "Be". and it is. (Quran 19:34-5). The Bible itself calls Jesus the son of man so many times throughout the Bible to prove that Jesus is a human being so Jesus is not the son of God. Furthermore, verses like John 3:2, John 6:14, John 7:40, Matthew 21:11, Luke 7:16 and 24:19 confirm that Jesus accepted the title of teacher, Prophet and called himself the son of man in Matthew 8:20, 12:40, 17:9 & 12, 26:24, Luke 9:26, 22:48, 22:69, and 24:7. The most conclusive verse that says Jesus is the son (servant) of man is Mark 14:26 where Jesus is mentioning the Day of Reckoning. Jesus specifically said we would see the son of man, not the Son of God, sitting in the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Since the Hebrews believed that God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense, it is obvious that the expression �son of God� merely meant to them �Servant of God�; one who, because of his faithful service, was close and dear to God, as a son is to a father. Consequently, the use of the term �son of God� should only be understood from the Semitic symbolic sense of a �servant of God�, and not in the pagan sense of a literal offspring of God. In the four Gospels, Jesus is recorded as saying: �Blessed are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.�(Matthew 5:9) Qur�an clarifies that Jesus� virgin birth did not change the state of his humanity �Surely, the example of Jesus, in Allah�s sight, is like that of Adam. He created him from dust and said: �Be!� and he was.� (Qur�an, 3:59). The act of begetting is a physical act and such act is against God�s nature. The Qur�an 19:35 says: "It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter He only says to it "Be," and it is." (Maryam 19:35) Therefore God has no sons for God is One and Only: Moses says "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." (Deuteronomy 6:4) , Jesus says "...The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord." (Mark 12:29) and the prophet Muhammad says "And your God is One God: There is no God but He, ..." (The Qur'an 2:163) |
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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George
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The Holy Spirit is the Comforter. Jesus said so. Jesus is the prophet like Moses. Peace Edited by George |
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Coming of Prophet Muhammad pbuh is given in almost all old scriptures (I hv personally read all) as in the book of Enoch, books of Hindus, books of Budh, Books of Parcies-Zartdists and BIBLES very clearly. But the people who do not believe prophet Muhammad escape away from this truth under differnt pretexts. The comforter foretold by Jesus Christ as reported by Gospel of John has been interpreted by Christians and Muslims differently Muslim scholars of comparative religion are unanimous in their opinion that the comforter referred to in the Bible, is non other than Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh), which glad tiding, the Christ gave according to Qur�an 61:6. On the other hand, the Christian scholars, disputing their claim, offer two different explanations of the �comforter; Let us analyses this �Key� word. The language spoken by Jesus Christ was Syriac. Unfortunately there are no ancient manuscripts available in the world today, to know the exact word spoken by the Christ. Whatever the original word, it was translated into Greek, which in turn has been translated as Comforter, Counsellor, Consolator, Assistant, Advocate, Consoler, Deprecator or Teacher in different English translations. What was the Greek word in the earliest Greek translations, can also be not known, as the oldest available Greek translation, today is from the 4th Century A.D. The present Greek Canon records it as Paracletus, while the Muslim scholars believe that it would have been Periclytos in the earlier Greek translations which are extinct today. Translating the names and then changing them with other words in different translations and versions is nothing new, they claim. Incidently, �Periclytos� may be translated as �Ahmed�, while Paracletus has been translated as Comforter or Teacher or other more than a dozen words. Muslims have a very strong case when they produce a historical witness from the 8th century A.D. which goes as under. The language of Palestine, the homeland of Jesus, remained Syriac upto well after 9th Century when Hebrew replaced it. The famous Muslim historian of 9th Century in his famous work �Seerah� (the life of the Prophet (Pbuh)) has mentioned, quoting the 8th century historian Ibn-e-Ishaq, the Syriac word of the 8th century versions of the New Testament. The word, he writes, �is �Munhamanna� which means Ahmed in Arabic and may be translated as Periclytos in Greek.� This record proves that the original word translated in earlier Greek translations would have been �Periclytos� meaning �Ahmed� in Arabic, instead of Paraclete. ======================== Now I will quote a top class Christian scholar/expert for those who always escape from truth with different pretexts:"And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Periqlytos, that he may stay with you for ever" (Bible: John xiv. 16) Multilingual Bible expert Rev. Benjamin David Keldani, Bishop of Urmia, opines that paraclete does not grammatically fit the sentence; by consideration of various other factors, the word in question ought to be periqlytos: It means praiser which in Arabic is nothing but Ahmad, the other name of Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh)� ================ Now finally we see what Allah Almighty has said in Final protected revelation, Quran: Following verse of Glorious Quran is light for WISE Christians: 61:6 And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!" =============== One may ask why not other sacred books were protected like Quran? Answer is very clear. All other Prophets & sacred books sent upon them were limited to a specific nation/tribe for a limited period. Once period was over, that sacred book was not in fact needed as superseded by next one. i.e. Jesus PBUH was sent just for the LOST SHEEP of Jews. Prophet Muhammad PBUH and Quran is final Edition of Scared books and is for whole universe for unlimited time; So is protected and preserved by Lord Edited by TRUUTHZ |
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TRUUTHZ
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Now when following verse of Quran is recited in front of Beloved Christians and Jews, many say that they donot beleive Quran. So I have posted info here in 9 parts that providee a solid reason to believe Quran as Final protected revelation of GOD: How Quran is preserved by Lord - PART 1/9 Edited by TRUUTHZ |
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I was bold in the pursuit of knowledge, never fearing to follow truth and reason to whatever results they led."
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