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kim! 
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 Posted: 13 April 2005 at 9:34pm |
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I don't see why women and men can't both come to a mosque and pray BESIDE each other. Why not put a low curtain rail through the middle of the mosque so that men and women cannot see each other while praying, and yet everyone can see the leader and they him/her? Then men and women are beside each other, like they should be in life anyway, but still shielded from each other to prevent mental weakness. And I think it's a wonderful, wonderful idea that women should lead prayers. Of course, I am not a Muslim, and am a feminist, so I am biased, but I think that communities can only benefit and feel inspired (and be EDUCATED!) when hearing the thoughts and opinions and sharing in the studies and the hopes of the other 51% of the population. The world would be a much more caring, sensitive, sensible place if there were more female leaders. Kim...
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rami
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Posted: 13 April 2005 at 11:15pm |
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
assalamu alaikum >>>Just admit it. You hate women or think that they are beneath you. Allah (swt) created us free and women are not your slaves or beneath you. Where is you humbleness?<<< Your posts are becoming nothing more than provocations. If you have nothing constructive to say then do nat say anything, this is a discussion forum sister the aim is to discuss not accuse. Many points have been raised which you have ignored and replied in a childsih manner. This issue is for the scholars and it is they who make the laws in islam as allah says in the Quran ask those who have knowledge. People who value personnel opinion above sincere and sound advise are in need, they should not be the ones claiming to have knowledge otherwise they will be of the people who rasul allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said would rise up towards the end of time 'They are misguided and the lead others astray". Unless you wish to discuss the points raised rather than persist in your atitude there in no point for further discussion. I also urge you to read the forum guidlines on how to post and what is acceptable behaviour. |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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rami
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Posted: 13 April 2005 at 11:23pm |
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
Kim, your opinion does not consider what the Quran says or the sunnah which are things we are obliged to follow. There are many things you have not taken into account. What does hearing and education have to do with women leading prayer, you recite the quran not a speech in prayer. The prayer it self is very short. The curtain would be pointless if a women was leading the prayer. Women can pray with men but they are in the back rows not to hide them but for practical reasons. Some have given them there own space each mosque is different. I think you should also know that it is not compulsory for women to pray the friday prayer while it is on men and is considered something grave if they miss it. This is why you see more men than women in the mosque becouse they are not obliged to come like men are but they can if they choose to. women also do not pray when they are having their period. there are many issues to consider. |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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kim!
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Posted: 14 April 2005 at 12:09am |
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Oh? Maybe I have the wrong idea of what goes on in services in Mosques. I thought whoever was leading prayers also spoke to the congregation (if I may use that word), telling stories and giving examples to make points about the religion and people and how to live their lives. Kim... |
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sunshine
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Posted: 14 April 2005 at 5:07am |
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Upon reading this kind of news, I feel like this is a sign of nearer to the doomsday. As far as I concern, "Fair" is doesn't mean the same level or the same thing in everything but "Fair" means put the things at the right place. For example, we put shoes at our foot but not head and we put hat or scarf at our head. Is that fair? What if we put it the other way around? Ridiculus n it (the garment) will doesn't work as it should be right? Al-Quran say women is behind men so if we go the other way around, it will ridiculus. Anyway, I m respect to Kim who interest in many things including muslims issues. peace.. |
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Sis Ummah
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Posted: 14 April 2005 at 5:35am |
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Will this now become censorship? I have discussed the issue to which you have not answered. You have not discussed where it is written in the Quran that a woman can not lead prayer. Then you discussed things against women such as they must be women who want to become men. If that is the case, why is it that a moderator is taking part in the discussing and making it a personal case instead of an objective one regarding women leading prayer? Is that fair within the discussion? I would think that you should come to an agreement that there is no such dictate in the Quran that a woman can not lead prayer. That is the discussion, period. |
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AhmadJoyia
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Posted: 14 April 2005 at 5:01pm |
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I think, we should understand that if Quran is the "law" then sunnah of Prophet Mohammad is its legal explanation. Kindly read this from a eminent professor By: Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi in his article at http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=IC0503-2 646 "...For this reason the Prophet I think, if this order to formation of people offering salat is well authentic and established from the sunnah, then there is no logical reasons or grounds left over to argue about female being an imam or having the mix congregation in Salat or both. |
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Sis Ummah
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Posted: 14 April 2005 at 6:39pm |
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From:Evidence for Women Leading Congregational Prayers 1. The Prophet (peace be upon him) commanded Umm Waraqah, a woman who had collected the Qur�an, to lead the people of her area in prayer. She had her own mu�adhdhin (person who performs the call to prayers) [1] . 2. The above Prophetic tradition (hadith) is the reason why several medieval Muslim scholars supported female leadership. These include Tabari (d.310/923), author of the famous tafsir: Jami� al-bayan �an ta�wil ay al-Qur�an and Tarikh al-Rusul wal Muluk, Muzani, Abu Thawr and Abu Sulayman Dawud ibn Khalaf al-Isfahani (d.270/884), founder of the Zahirite school [2] . [1] See Ahmad �Abd al-Rahman Al-Banna, Al-Fath al-Rabbani li Tartib Musnad al-Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal al-Shaybani ma'a Sharhihi Bulugh al-Amani (Bayrut: Dar Ihya� al-Turath al- �Arabi, n.d.) vol.5, 3:1375; Muhammad ibn Sa�d , Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir (Bayrut: Dar Sadir, 1958) vol.8, p.457. [2] Banna, op.cit. |
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rami wrote:
told us that men and women should have separate lines. The lines of men should be in the front area, then the lines of children and then women. The Imam should stand in front of the congregation and should make ruku' and sajdah before the congregation and they should follow the Imam. "