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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

LOL!  minuteman - here is the story.  Absolutely no confusion. 
Luke 1
The Birth of Jesus Foretold
 26In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin's name was Mary. 28The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you."

 29Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. 31You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. 32He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end."

 34"How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?"

 35The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. 36Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month. 37For nothing is impossible with God."

 38"I am the Lord's servant," Mary answered. "May it be to me as you have said." Then the angel left her.

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18This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.

Muslims believe that GOD can only impregnate a women through sex?

OK back to the topic.

My old King James Version Bible that I had since I was a child says: "the Holy Spirit will come into you".

I know that the different versions of the Bible are constantly being updated, revised, and wording changed to make it more modern or acceptable.

Find an old Bible and look it up....
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Back to the subject, the Quran makes it very clear that Jesus is no more than a Prophet of God:

"Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah,"

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Shasta'sAunt - Which Quran translation do you use? 

I looked at the King James- maybe you should recheck that, but still-Have you never heard of being filled with the Holy Spirit?

LOL!!  You also believe there was sex involved? 

Luke 1

28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
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16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

Shasta'sAunt - Which Quran translation do you use? 

I looked at the King James- maybe you should recheck that, but still-Have you never heard of being filled with the Holy Spirit?

LOL!!  You also believe there was sex involved? 

Luke 1

28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

I do not believe there was sex involved, but then The Quran has never inferred that there was.

My old Bible and Concordance is from the 1960's. Do you deny the wording has been changed?  Interesting that it would be so....

I personally prefer the Yusuf Ali translation of the Quran as I believe the language is closer to the poetic Arabic.

Which version of the Bible do you use?
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LOL!!  Good!  I have had Muslims accussing the Holy Bible of saying GOD had sex with Mary!!

LOL!!  Translations change but the originals stay the same.  Sound familiar? LOL!! 

That is the first translation listed on the USC site?

I use all translations, in fact many Bible classes ask you to bring many different translations.  The different translations don't change the full message of the Holy Bible. 

However you look at it Mary was filled with the Holy Spirit.  A spirit that does not as far as I know have a physical body like a human.  Jesus was the manifestation of GOD in human form.

Amazing things happen when filled with the Holy Spirit- the Bible story of the speaking in tongues, etc.
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Originally posted by believer believer wrote:

LOL!!  Good!  I have had Muslims accussing the Holy Bible of saying GOD had sex with Mary!!

LOL!!  Translations change but the originals stay the same.  Sound familiar? LOL!! 

That is the first translation listed on the USC site?

I use all translations, in fact many Bible classes ask you to bring many different translations.  The different translations don't change the full message of the Holy Bible. 

However you look at it Mary was filled with the Holy Spirit.  A spirit that does not as far as I know have a physical body like a human.  Jesus was the manifestation of GOD in human form.

Amazing things happen when filled with the Holy Spirit- the Bible story of the speaking in tongues, etc.

LOL I have Christians saying that I accused God of having sex with Mary....

I never said any such thing. I said that my 1960's King James Version of the Holy Bible, white leather with gold trim and lettering, reads:  "the Holy Spirit came into Mary"

You can say what you will, but as the Bible is revised and updated, the words and meanings change. I have two Bibles, my old one and The New International 1984. Just out of curiosity I looked up one of the most well known verses...

John 3:16 old Bible: "For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life."

new Bible: For God so loved the world He gave His only son"

I am wondering why the "begotten" has changed? 

begotten

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One entry found.
Beget

Main Entry:

be�get
Pronunciation:
\bi-ˈget, b�-\
Function:
transitive verb
Inflected Form(s):
be�got \-ˈg�t\ also be�gat \-ˈgat\; be�got�ten \-ˈg�-tən\ or be�got; be�get�ting
Etymology:
Middle English begeten, alteration of beyeten, from Old English bigietan � more at get
Date:
13th century
1 : to procreate as the father : sire 2 : to produce especially as an effect or outgrowth  (Mirriem-Webster)

 



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LOL!!  OK!

Probably because we no longer use that term.  The translator wanted to make the language up to date.  In this day of age only son implies that the son was begotten son.

The bottom line- the message stays the same.

The same thing happens with the Quran!  The translation regarding the verses I mentioned at the first of this thread for instance.

I think the message really changes with the Quran depending on which translator you use. 
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Actually, once begotten is taken out it sort of changes the message, much like the Holy Spirit went INTO Mary or the Holy Spirit was UPON Mary. There is a big difference.... 

The translations of the Quran are merely translations, the original script is unchanged. It's not revised every couple of years to make the message easier for people to accept.

And besides, how could God give His only son if Jesus and God are the same?  Wouldn't God be giving himself?

 
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