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AhmadJoyia
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Bro DavidC, I thought Paul's conversion or as what he says "revelation" on the way to damascus is quite famous and popular event among Christians. Nevertheless, kindly see Acts 9:1-22 and then onward, all his actions are purported to be under the influence of "Holy Spirit". Is this not a direct form of divine communication, that the NT is asking people to believe in?
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DavidC
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Ok. Remember I am not a scholar but just a Christian trying to learn.
The communication between Jesus and Saul was indeed direct (as described). However, the author of the book of Acts was merely retelling the story. Was it Saul writing in third person or another author relating Saul's testimony? I have no idea. |
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AhmadJoyia
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My Bro DavidC, questioning the authorship of NT books is indeed an interesting topic. Hope you shall observe it more closely and then decide on whom one may put his faith? Should we consider the authors of gospel of "Mathew", "Mark", "Luke" or "the fourth" to have written their records under the influence of "Holy Spirit", as many Christians so believe, to put our faith on these books? Or St. Paul's epistles are sufficient for this faith?
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DavidC
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The simple answer is none of the above.
Most Christians are convinced in much the way the author of Acts describes the conversion of Saul. We are suddenly in the grace of God, and see how God extends beyond human logic. I have seen Muslims here describe similar similar experiences. One may be raised in an Islamic tradition, yet suddenly God descends and makes the faith rooted solidly in the heart. Past belief, which was once believed to be the pinnacle of experience, instantly pales in comparison to revelation. A farmer must prepare his fields, and our sacred texts tell us how to prepare our souls, but the spark of life must come from above. What is it that makes the seed sprout? I don't think there is a scientist alive that can directly address this question. The faith of Christians is not bound to books. Many Christians are as illiterate as Muhummad. If something disagrees with scripture it is wrong - but scripture does not circumscribe truth, which is known in it's entirety only to God. |
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AhmadJoyia
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Brother DavidC, I see your views much based on faith avoiding facts. This is often known as 'blind faith'. Closing the eyes from the facts may never remove the fact as fact is truth. Without the author, there is no difference between myth and fact. Even though fact has many other tests to pass, but the very first step is the authorship. But here I see my Christian brothers consider it worthless. If the books are not very important for them, then why so much hue and cry about their preservation, their canonization, their revision after revision, and their translation into different languages etc etc. All this without a purpose? I don't think so. In fact, they are the only root source of faith that one has in his life time. Of course only Prophets can claim to have divine revelation and hence become the source of material for these books and hence bear their authorship. But I see you claiming to have revelations for all most all the Christian people by faith. So do you intend to say that God is revealing to all individuals the same way as revealed to the Prophets? This would indeed be a big surprise for me. Secondly, illiteracy doesn't imply illogical. It just mean one could get to traditional way of reading and/or writing a spoken language. Hence, even illiterate people are logical in their reasoning as without this human couldn't be differentiated from animals and the life would have been in choas. Isn't it? Edited by AhmadJoyia |
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DavidC
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Ahmad, I am limited here by the orientation of this forum and my own wish
to not disrupt anyone's faith in God or the Qu'ran. At some point, we all must BELIEVE and not merely ADMIT to the truth of scripture. No, we are not all prophets. When touched by the divine, most of us so priviledged are crushed under the weight of humility and are unsuited to the demands of prophethood. AhmadJoyia, I feel I communicate better with you than most members here. Your understanding has benefited me temendously. Can you bring up some "compare and contrast" examples from the Qu'ran? Perhaps we can open up this conversation to the other members. |
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Jazz
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Hi Mohamed, It seems that any book can be altered. Here is a link to an article which discusses Quran being altered. http://bible.ca/islam/library/Goldsack/Readings/chap4.htm
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AhmadJoyia
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My dear bro DavidC, can you explain a little as what do you mean by
Also, if not all, do you mean there are some among you who are prophets when you say "No, we are not all prophets."?
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