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hey kenski70, how do you feel about this, people who stand in the way of peace should be removed from the way. |
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correction, those who block the way to peace should be removed from the way.
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AhmadJoyia
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Oh ok, I see what you mean. In this sense then my question is more of as "how" in contrast to "why", is Jerusalam holy to Christians? I mean through which way this city becomes holy to Christians? Was Jesus born in that city or was Jesus buried in that city or simply put; what is the basis for this holiness for my christian brothers?
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Jerusalem is where the atonement and resurrection happened. In Jerusalem, the Garden of Gethsame, Jesus took on the sins of the world. And in Jerusalem, he died, was buried and resurrected. These to a Christian are far more important than his miraculous birth. This was the fulfilling of his destiny and promise. Now, I know Muslims do not believe Jesus was crucified, but we do, therefore, Jerusalem is the Holiest City in Christendom. The Resurrection to Christians is the pinnacle of Holy events. The Miracle we look to in our daily life. In this way, Jerusalem is to us as Mecca is to a Muslim. In Mecca, Gabrielle revealed the Quran to Mohammed. This is the miracle that every muslim man and woman are defined by in their daily lives. The Kaabah, the site built by Ibrahim and his son, that would be a common point for all peoples of the Book, making Mecca Holy to all. And since Jerusalem is the sight of the Temple, the Resurrection and the Prophet Mohammed's vision of heaven, it too is Holy to all. In the end, we need to shed our concept that these cities belong to anyone but God. I find it funny that immediately prior to the creation of Israel, all pilgrims were welcomed there, now we must fear traveling to our churches, synagogues and mosques. May God grant us peace in our hearts and love for our fellow man.
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Andrea
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I got a better idea... why don't we just ignore them and walk around them. They'll follow when God wills it. |
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Angela, Great answer btw, |
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AhmadJoyia
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Thanks sis Angela for your reply. However, I am little surprised from your reply. Usually a place is made holy if there is any material or spiritual thing is attached to it. Since Jesus was raised within his material body, is any thing we call him "buried"? I think, you would also agree with me that he is not buried in any grave in Jerusalam at all. Isn't it? So, what's holiness of an empty land? Secondly, if only the miracles are the criteria for such a holiness, then what Jerusalam has any exception over the Virgin birth place of Jesus and his mother. Thirdly, you say
"37He took Peter and the two sons of Zebedee along with him, and he began to be sorrowful and troubled. 38Then he said to them, "My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me." 39Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." 40Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. "Could you men not keep watch with me for one hour?" he asked Peter. 41"Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak." 42He went away a second time and prayed, "My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done." With all this narration mentioned in the Bible, it would be surprising if anyone want to celebrate the occassion rather than mourn over it. Or otherwise, the Bible is to be challenged for its accuracy. Isn't it?
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Since Jesus was raised within his material body, is any thing we call him "buried"? It is holy because of the events that happened there: he was crucified, died, was buried, and resurrected, all in Jerusalem. We do not say "he is buried" in Jerusalem, be cause he raised from the dead and then ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the father. But he indeed was buried there at one time. Those are all "spiritual" things as you call them, that happened there and that is why it is holy to us. It is a common misconception by non-believers that Christmas is more important than Easter, but I can assure you that Christians know the difference. Luke: Those quotes you mention about him suffering had to happen as part of his destiny but they were not the purpose or the culmination. There are 3 parts to the significance of the celebration at Easter, his crucifixion, his death, and his resurrection. It is what you call a bittersweet moment for us, because we do mourn deeply in the way that he died, but praise be to God, Jesus rose from the dead!!! That is a joyous occasion for us, furthermore, his legacy was that our sins were cleansed so that we would have eternal life. Luke
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