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America Is Running the World�s Largest Terrorist Operation

Experts on the Left and the Right Agree

Chomsky: �Obama Is Running The Biggest Terrorist Operation That Exists�

Leading liberal Noam Chomsky said yesterday:

The Obama administration is dedicated to increasing terrorism. In fact, it�s doing it all over the world. Obama is running the biggest terrorist operation that exists, maybe in history: the drone assassination campaigns, which are just part of it [...] All of these operations, they are terror operations.

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People hate the country that�s just terrorizing them. That�s not a surprise. Just consider the way we react to acts of terror. That�s the way other people react to [American] acts of terror.

Chomsky is right. Experts agree that indiscriminate drone strikes are war crimes (more here and here).

The U.S. is not only killing people whose identity it doesn�t even know (more), but it is also killing children. And it is using the justifiably-vilified Al Qaeda tactic of killing people attending funerals of those killed � and targeting people attempting to rescue people who have been injured by � our previous strikes.

Chomsky has previously extensively documented U.S. terrorism. As Wikipedia notes:

Chomsky and Herman observed that terror was concentrated in the U.S. sphere of influence in the Third World, and documented terror carried out by U.S. client states in Latin America. They observed that of ten Latin American countries that had death squads, all were U.S. client states.

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They concluded that the global rise in state terror was a result of U.S. foreign policy.

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In 1991, a book edited by Alexander L. George [the Graham H. Stuart Professor of Political Science Emeritus at Stanford University] also argued that other Western powers sponsored terror in Third World countries. It concluded that the U.S. and its allies were the main supporters of terrorism throughout the world.

Indeed, the U.S. has created death squads in Latin America, Iraq and Syria.

The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan � Lt. General William Odom - noted:

Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today�s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.

Odom also said:

By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In �78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism � in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.

(audio here).

The Washington Post reported in 2010:

The United States has long been an exporter of terrorism, according to a secret CIA analysis released Wednesday by the Web site WikiLeaks.

The head and special agent in charge of the FBI�s Los Angeles office said that most terror attacks are committed by our CIA and FBI.

Some in the American military have intentionally tried to �out-terrorize the terrorists�.

As Truthout notes:

Both [specialists Ethan McCord and Josh Stieber] say they saw their mission as a plan to �out-terrorize the terrorists,� in order to make the general populace more afraid of the Americans than they were of insurgent groups.

In the interview with [Scott] Horton, Horton pressed Stieber:

�� a fellow veteran of yours from the same battalion has said that you guys had a standard operating procedure, SOP, that said � and I guess this is a reaction to some EFP attacks on y�all�s Humvees and stuff that killed some guys � that from now on if a roadside bomb goes off, IED goes off, everyone who survives the attack get out and fire in all directions at anybody who happens to be nearby � that this was actually an order from above. Is that correct? Can you, you know, verify that?

Stieber answered:

�Yeah, it was an order that came from Kauzlarich himself, and it had the philosophy that, you know, as Finkel does describe in the book, that we were under pretty constant threat, and what he leaves out is the response to that threat. But the philosophy was that if each time one of these roadside bombs went off where you don�t know who set it � the way we were told to respond was to open fire on anyone in the area, with the philosophy that that would intimidate them, to be proactive in stopping people from making these bombs ��

Terrorism is defined as:

The use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

So McCord and Stieber are correct: this constitutes terrorism by American forces in Iraq.

The U.S. has been directly supporting Al Qaeda and other terrorists and providing them arms, money and logistical support in Syria, Libya, Mali, Bosnia, Chechnya, Iran, and many other countries � both before and after 9/11. And see this.

Torture � which the U.S. has liberally used during the last 10 years � has long been recognized as a form of terrorism.

Wikipedia notes:

Worldwide, 74% of countries that used torture on an administrative basis were U.S. client states, receiving military and other support to retain power.

Some Specific Examples �

The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950′s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister.

The former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligence admit that NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out terror bombings in Italy and other European countries in the 1950s and blamed the communists, in order to rally people�s support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism.

Read all at: http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-is-running-the-worlds-largest-terrorist-operation/5339835

The Saint wrote: Let us talk about world peace and what the US is doing for it. America Is Running the World�s Largest Terrorist Operation Experts on the Left and the Right Agree Chomsky: �Obama Is Running The Biggest Terrorist Operation That Exists� Leading liberal Noam Chomsky said yesterday:

I don't put much stock in what Noam Chomsky has to say.  I do not see him as someone who is for God.

The Obama administration is dedicated to increasing terrorism. In fact, it�s doing it all over the world. Obama is running the biggest terrorist operation that exists, maybe in history: the drone assassination campaigns, which are just part of it [...] All of these operations, they are terror operations.

This may just very possibly be true.  I do not see Obama as a leader that is seeking to create peace in the world.  I do not hear words of peace but only of division coming from him.  I believe it is his purpose to increase chaos in the world and turn opinion against the United States.  He does not by any stretch of the imagination represent what previous leaders have represented.  It is a jolly sham that he was awarded a Nobel peace prize.  I have nothing good to say about the president that is currently leading the United States.

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Chomsky is right. Experts agree that indiscriminate drone strikes are war crimes (more here and here).

The U.S. is not only killing people whose identity it doesn�t even know (more), but it is also killing children. And it is using the justifiably-vilified Al Qaeda tactic of killing people attending funerals of those killed � and targeting people attempting to rescue people who have been injured by � our previous strikes.

I don't know about the truth of that.

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They concluded that the global rise in state terror was a result of U.S. foreign policy.

I don't know how a statement like that can be made.  I did however, just recently, listen to a dsicsussion on how when there is no strong power in the world chaos tends to rule... and the fact that the U.S. has wimped out in its duty to remain strong(i.e., has an ineffectual leader) has an effect on the world.  I wish I could share the discussion.

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In 1991, a book edited by Alexander L. George [the Graham H. Stuart Professor of Political Science Emeritus at Stanford University] also argued that other Western powers sponsored terror in Third World countries. It concluded that the U.S. and its allies were the main supporters of terrorism throughout the world.

What does it mean, "to sponsor terror".  If it means did the U.S. and other governments armed groups and trained them to defend themselves, and these groups later turned into terror organizations....  is the U.S. responsible for what they used their training for once the initial battle was over.  The terror organizations existing in the middle east are remnants of those that were armed and trained to defeat enemies that were coming against their nation.  They have decided to turn those very arms and training against those that came to help them.
Or they are groups influenced and armed through muslim nations(Iran, Turkey, e.g.), and through Russia... for purposes of their own.
I think defining the battles is very difficult and the finger can not be pointed in one direction only.

Indeed, the U.S. has created death squads in Latin America, Iraq and Syria.

Can you give me a citation for this statement so I can research it further.  Thanks.

The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan � Lt. General William Odom - noted:
Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today�s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.

I can see the truth in that.  The United States had to work with what was available, and I can see that it is guilty of supporting terrorist tactics among the people in these countries.  I don't suppose they ever considered that those same tactics would one day be turned on them... or they felt there were no other options in the ensuing battles.  I don't believe it is a thing which the United States brought to these countries... I believe it was the way of doing battle that already existed and outside nations merely supplied the weapons and better training.
The very first(current era anyway... the kamikaze's of Japan came even before) to use terror tactics were the Nazi's when they flew blimps over London to bomb the city, not caring that they were killing innocents.
The U.S. employed the tactic when it decided to drop the a-bomb to compel the surrender of Japan.  Since that time I have felt that the U.S. abandoned its own use of such tactics, seeing the wrongness of it.  Let's face it... it was Bashar al Assad that decided it was ok to bomb his own cities, reducing them to rubble and killing innocents.  The U.S. did not support that.

Odom also said:
By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In �78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism � in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.
(audio here).

I wish the audio were working so that I could listen.

The Washington Post reported in 2010:
The United States has long been an exporter of terrorism, according to a secret CIA analysis released Wednesday by the Web site WikiLeaks.

The head and special agent in charge of the FBI�s Los Angeles office said that most terror attacks are committed by our CIA and FBI.

I would like to know what attacks they are labeling 'attacks committed by the CIA and FBI'.

Some in the American military have intentionally tried to �out-terrorize the terrorists�.
As Truthout notes:
Both [specialists Ethan McCord and Josh Stieber] say they saw their mission as a plan to �out-terrorize the terrorists,� in order to make the general populace more afraid of the Americans than they were of insurgent groups.

In the interview with [Scott] Horton, Horton pressed Stieber:
�� a fellow veteran of yours from the same battalion has said that you guys had a standard operating procedure, SOP, that said � and I guess this is a reaction to some EFP attacks on y�all�s Humvees and stuff that killed some guys � that from now on if a roadside bomb goes off, IED goes off, everyone who survives the attack get out and fire in all directions at anybody who happens to be nearby � that this was actually an order from above. Is that correct? Can you, you know, verify that?

Stieber answered:
�Yeah, it was an order that came from Kauzlarich himself, and it had the philosophy that, you know, as Finkel does describe in the book, that we were under pretty constant threat, and what he leaves out is the response to that threat. But the philosophy was that if each time one of these roadside bombs went off where you don�t know who set it � the way we were told to respond was to open fire on anyone in the area, with the philosophy that that would intimidate them, to be proactive in stopping people from making these bombs ��

Terrorism is defined as:
The use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
So McCord and Stieber are correct: this constitutes terrorism by American forces in Iraq.

I don't know what to say to these statements other than that they do make me ask;
When you are dealing with people with a terrorist mentality, when that is all the people understand, is there another way to fight?

The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950′s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister.

I agree in the wrongness of this, and it may very well be that the U.S. will soon be reaping the consequences of such actions.  The great uncertainty is in whether or not they are truly guilty, or if propoganda has merely been able to convince others of their guilt.
but it is said... what goes around, comes around... and if the CIA has been using reprehensible tactics then it is bound to come back and bite in the behind.

The former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligence admit that NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out terror bombings in Italy and other European countries in the 1950s and blamed the communists, in order to rally people�s support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism.

Again, I see the wrongness in this, and believe that yes such things will come back to bite you.

Read all at: http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-is-running-the-worlds-largest-terrorist-operation/5339835 

Thanks for sharing.  The ways of war are never right or good.


All that you shared however, does not address whether or not muslim leaders... political and otherwise... ever seek to spread a message for peace among the people...

or are they guilty of the devices you describe above... using tactics to stir people in favor of war.

Though I have seen governments made to act in the ways of war...
their words have never stopped speaking of the desire and need for peace.

I do not hear words teaching me to think of others as enemies, but rather words of how we can turn to peace... how we can become people of peace, getting along with each other.
I do not hear words that encourage me to go out and seek my enemies.  I hear words that encourage me to find ways to make friends.

asalaam,
Caringheart


Edited by Caringheart - 23 December 2014 at 11:32am

Caringheart wrote: The Saint wrote: [QUOTE=Caringheart] Do muslim leaders speak a message of peace to their people...either in their governments, or in their mosques? You appear to have missed the fact that Muslims greet each other with the words Assalaamualaikum, which means peace and much more. In mosques five times a day the congregation lead by the Imam seeks Allah's blessings and peace.Yes, you are. Every Muslim gathering, political, social or religious begins with a recitation of the Quran followed by supplications to Allah SWT for His blessings and peace for all. � Greetings The Saint,Will you please share with me what these are. Shukran und salaam, Caringheart

Share with you what, CH?

Caringheart wrote: The Saint wrote: Caringheart wrote: The Saint wrote: [QUOTE=Caringheart] Do muslim leaders speak a message of peace to their people...either in their governments, or in their mosques? You appear to have missed the fact that Muslims greet each other with the words Assalaamualaikum, which means peace and much more. In mosques five times a day the congregation lead by the Imam seeks Allah's blessings and peace.Yes, you are. Every Muslim gathering, political, social or religious begins with a recitation of the Quran followed by supplications to Allah SWT for His blessings and peace for all. Greetings The Saint,Will you please share with me what these are. Shukran und salaam, Caringheart Share with you what, CH? Greetings The Saint,the words of 'blessings and peace''the supplications for blessings and peace for all'which you hear in the mosque.What do muslims hear that encourages peace in their hearts toward their fellow mankind?Shukran and salaam,CH Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim First of all Muslims are reminded that death can happen anytime so we should all prepare for it by seeking Allah's pleasure all the time. How do we gain Allah's pleasure? By doing things that please Him. Allah subhanahu wa ta�ala has told us everything we need to know in order to please Him and earn Paradise in His book, the Quran. All we need to do is follow the teachings of the Quran and its explanations and manifestations in the Prophet�s (saws) teachings. Among the many things which we can do to please Allah (swt), there are some which He especially highlights as things He loves and things He doesn�t love. One of the most powerful ways of earning Allah�s pleasure is to do the things He loves and avoid at all costs the things He hates. Therefore let us look at some of these things. Things Allah Loves Patience وَٱللَّهُ يُحِبُّ ٱلصَّـٰبِرِينَ And Allah loves as-S�birun (the patient). [3:146> Patience is a quality needed in every aspect of our lives. It is needed in obeying Allah�s commands and staying away from evil when we�re most tempted. It is needed in adversity, and it is needed in prosperity � in order to control ourselves from indulging in excesses. Therefore, it is a highly praiseworthy quality and one that Allah Himself says that He loves. Justice ا ۖ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُقْسِطِينَ For Allah loves those who are fair (and just). [49:9> Allah Himself is The Just, and He loves those who do justice towards others. Tawakkul إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يُحِبُّ ٱلۡمُتَوَكِّلِينَ Certainly, Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him). [3:159> One of Allah�s names is Al Wakeel, and we acknowledge that by putting our trust in Him. Gentleness The prophet (saws) said, إِنَّ اللَّهَ رَفِيقٌ يُحِبُّ الرِّفْقَ وَيُعْطِي عَلَيْهِ مَا لاَ يُعْطِي عَلَى الْعُنْفِ Allah is Gentle and loves gentleness, and He grants reward for it that He does not grant for harshness. [ibn Majah> Repentence إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يُحِبُّ ٱلتَّوَّٲبِينَ Truly, Allah loves those who turn unto him in repentance. [2:222> The Prophet (saws) said, If you were not to commit sins, Allah would have swept you out of existence and would have replaced you by another people who have committed sin, and then asked forgiveness from Allah, and He would have granted them pardon. [Sahih Muslim> Prayer at its proper time Narrated Al-Walid bin �Aizar: I heard Abi `Amr �Ash-Shaibani saying, �The owner of this house.� he pointed to `Abdullah�s house, �said, I asked the Prophet (ﷺ) �Which deed is loved most by Allah?� He replied, �To offer prayers at their early (very first) stated times.� � `Abdullah asked, �What is the next (in goodness)?� The Prophet (ﷺ) said, �To be good and dutiful to one�s parents,� `Abdullah asked, �What is the next (in goodness)?� The Prophet said, To participate in Jihad for Allah�s Cause.� [Bukhari> Things Allah Doesn�t Love 1. Extravagance Islam encourages moderation in every matter. Allah said, ۚ كُلُوا مِن ثَمَرِهِ إِذَا أَثْمَرَ وَآتُوا حَقَّهُ يَوْمَ حَصَادِهِ ۖ وَلَا تُسْرِفُوا ۚ إِنَّهُ لَا يُحِبُّ الْمُسْرِفِينَ . . . Eat of [each of> its fruit when it yields and give its due [zakah> on the day of its harvest. And be not excessive. Indeed, He does not like those who commit excess. [ 6:141> 2. Pride and Arrogance Verily He loves not the arrogant (proud). [Surah Al Nahl 16:23> For Allah loves not any arrogant boaster. [Surah Luqman 31:18> The Prophet (saws) said, �No one who has an atom�s weight of pride in his heart will enter the Garden.� [Sahih Muslim> Allah Himself is Al Mutakabbir. Istikbar in human beings is akin to competing with Allah in His attribute. That�s why Allah said in a hadith Qudsi: Pride is my cloak and majesty is my lower garment, and I shall throw him who view with me regarding one of them into Hell. [Abu Dawud> 3. Transgression Transgressing the boundaries which Allah has set for us is harmful for ourselves and others around us. يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تُحَرِّمُوا طَيِّبَاتِ مَا أَحَلَّ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ وَلَا تَعْتَدُوا ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْمُعْتَدِينَ O you who have believed, do not prohibit the good things which Allah has made lawful to you and do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors. [5:87> 4. Dhulm Dhulm can be done to other people or to our own selves. Transgressing the limits set by Allah amounts to oppressing ourselves. وَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ فَيُوَفِّيهِمْ أُجُورَهُمْ ۗ وَاللَّهُ لَا يُحِبُّ الظَّالِمِينَ But as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards, and Allah does not like the wrongdoers. [3:57> 5. Obscenity The Prophet (saws) said, إِنَّ اَللَّهَ يُبْغِضُ اَلْفَاحِشَ اَلْبَذِيءَ Allah hates the profligate and the obscene. [Tirmidhi> This is manifested in the life of the Prophet� he never for once used any kind of obscene language or behavior in his whole life. 6. Khiyanah (Treachery) Allah said in the Quran: وَلَا تُجَادِلْ عَنِ الَّذِينَ يَخْتَانُونَ أَنفُسَهُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ مَن كَانَ خَوَّانًا أَثِيمًا And do not argue on behalf of those who deceive themselves. Indeed, Allah loves not one who is a habitually sinful deceiver. [4:107> Also, وَإِمَّا تَخَافَنَّ مِن قَوْمٍ خِيَانَةً فَانبِذْ إِلَيْهِمْ عَلَىٰ سَوَاءٍ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْخَائِنِينَ If you [have reason to> fear from a people betrayal, throw [their treaty> back to them, [putting you> on equal terms. Indeed, Allah does not like traitors. [8:58> If you look closely at the above examples of things which Allah loves and doesn�t like, you will notice that all of them are things which are of benefit to us, and harmful to us, respectively. Allah loves the best for us and doesn�t like it that we harm ourselves. Thus it is manifest how much Allah loves us.