Striking Sililarity between Hell and Black Hole

Can someone please tell me exactly where hell is referred to as "narul hamea", i.e. a black hole? I can't find it in the Quran, if that's what you mean.

Tim the plumber wrote: Since droping something into a black hole will destroy any information in it better than any other method any idea that a soul, whatever that is, would retain the complexity to rember stuff is silly.

Just for sake of argument, if you believe in soul, or whatever that is, then you should also know the power of the Creator of the Black Hole. For Him, there is no difficulty. He only says 'Be' and that is it; everything happens, as per his plan.

Tim the plumber wrote: AhmadJoyia wrote: Tim the plumber wrote: Since droping something into a black hole will destroy any information in it better than any other method any idea that a soul, whatever that is, would retain the complexity to rember stuff is silly. Just for sake of argument, if you believe in soul, or whatever that is, then you should also know the power of the Creator of the Black Hole. For Him, there is no difficulty. He only says 'Be' and that is it; everything happens, as per his plan. I don't believe in a soul but just for the sake of understanding what a black hole is...If you write something on a piece of paper the information is there for somebody else to read.If you burn that paper it is gone. Nobody can ever read the information. That is because the molecules of the paper are nolonger in a stable configuration and are not capable of holding any particular form as smoke.If you drop the paper into the sun not only will it be converted into gas but the molecules will then be torn apart and even the electrons striped from their atoms leaving a plasma where the electrons and nucleus's of atnoms wander about freely. It's that hot.If you drop the paper into a black hole the radiation will destroy it long before it gets anywhere near it, the heat will then make it a plasma, the tidal forces caused by it's concentrated gravity will spread the plasma very widely around the black hole and that's all before it actualy goes into the thing. Once in it gets much worse. There is no better way of destroying information than droping it into a black hole. To be anything a soul must contain your personality. Well that would be information.

My only argument to oppose was based on the assumption of, 'if you believe in soul'. Since you have clarified that you don't, then it is meaningless to talk about soul or other religious spiritual entities and how would survive the destructive power of black holes etc. Anyhow, I must appreciate your hard work to enlighten us on 'Black holes'. Thanks.

airmano wrote: AhmadJoya@Airmano: Your thermodynamic evaluation is well appreciated. However, you would also realize that your statement is only true if you make following assumptions: 1. There is no external source of energy. 2. Both the entities are in contact to each other. Can you provide any plausible reason to make such assumptions?] 1) Not quite sure what you mean. Are you alluding to the question whether the Universe is an open or a closed system ? 2) No, all bodies above the absolute zero emit Black Body Radiation, otherwise any hot body in a vacuum would stay hot forever - what is not the case.

. This is you who has to tell which system you used to bring Thermodynamic analysis here. As for my questions, they are valid for any system that you pick. The example of black body radiation again is valid only if you make the assumption No 1.

airmano wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Tim the Plumber There is no better way of destroying information than dropping it into a black hole. To be anything a soul must contain your personality. Well that would be information. Things are not really clear yet as this Wiki entry discusses. Having said so, I fully agree that souls would have a hard time resisting the destructive power of a black hole, be they Muslims or Christians, with or without daily prayers. Airmano

You too seems like to ignore my argument without realizing that the concept of �Soul� is only with the faithful and not the atheists. Thus, with this concept of �Soul� comes the concept of �God�, a divine entity with unlimited powers, by definition. So what is �hard time� and how does it make difference to the creatures like us? All irrelevant.

Edited by AhmadJoyia - 03 December 2015 at 10:15pm