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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote George Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 May 2006 at 9:24am
Originally posted by Angela Angela wrote:

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Have you seen this site?

http://www.jesuswillreturn.com

Its a Muslim site dedicated to Jesus and the muslim teachings about him. 

No, Angela, I have not seen the site, but I will check it out.

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Originally posted by Angela Angela wrote:

It was a link I was given when I first got here.  Its the most comprehensive site I've seen to date on Jesus in Islam.  In understanding their views and beliefs regarding Mary, Jesus and the Crucifixion.  However, I have yet to truly get an answer I'm satisfied with as to the absense of Joseph and the slaughter of the innocents in the Quran.

Angela,

Interesting that you said you haven't received an answer you are satisfied about Joseph.  I haven't either.  The Qur'an completely ignores that Mary married Joseph and had other children.

Seems to me that God made sure that Jesus grew up in a normal family.

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Originally posted by Yankovich Yankovich wrote:

George, I read someplace (I think it was in the little book "Islam for Idiots" sold at various bookstores), that some Muslims believe Jesus will come again and break the cross (whatever that means).  Kind of odd, if you ask me.  And then, they say, he will die like a regular man.  Apparently, Muslims don't believe that Jesus has died yet.

Yank,

From what I heard the reference to Jesus breaking the cross means that he will disavow Christianity and say that he is a Muhammadian Muslim.  He is supposed to kill all the pigs too, whatever that means.  Poor pigs.  It could be a reference to Jews because Allah called the Jews monkeys and pigs.  Do you think he's going to kill all the Jews?

Yes, Jesus is supposed to die like a regular man, but before that he is supposed to marry and have children and when he dies he will be buried next to Muhammad.

Can you imagine Jesus running around the Kab'ah 7 times and throwing rocks at the devil?

I don't know where all this stuff comes from.

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George, I guess he's going to kill the poor pigs because they are unclean to Jews and Muslims.  Aren't you happy that Jesus made all foods clean?

MARK 7:18 And he said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated? (Thus he declared all foods clean.) "

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ACTS 10:10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat." 14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." 15 The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." (NIV)

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Originally posted by Yankovich Yankovich wrote:

George, I guess he's going to kill the poor pigs because they are unclean to Jews and Muslims.  Aren't you happy that Jesus made all foods clean?

MARK 7:18 And he said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated? (Thus he declared all foods clean.) "

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ACTS 10:10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat." 14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." 15 The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." (NIV)

Yes, God does not care what we eat.  He is concerned with our health, of course.  Back in the OT there were no refrigerators.  Even other meats were to be thrown away if they hadn't been completely consumed.

I guess God should have warned us about contaminated eggs and mayonaise too.  What did He say about smoking?

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I don't recall God saying anything about smoking, and the NT doesn't forbid alcohol only drunkeness.  God wants us to be as wise as serpents - so, that would mean we shouldn't be downing 2 or three pounds of raw red meat each day, or raw pork for that matter.  However, I have to tell you, pork is my favorite meat.  I think that it was forbidden in the Old Testament times due to problems with parasites not being destroyed by cooking (as in those days, rare meats were in vogue).

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Yankowich,

From you: "MARK 7:18 And he said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated? (Thus he declared all foods clean.) "

Here, Jesus was not declaring all foods  clean! He was teaching people to speak nicely and courteously without talking crudely or being harsh to others. In other words, he was saying "Dont' be rude and harsh. Talk nicely."

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"ACTS 10:10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat." 14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." 15 The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." (NIV) "

Now looking at "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." (NIV)", could you tell me what God had made unclean in the Laws and Commandments which  were given to Moses and Jesus confirmed that he had not come to change an iota in the Laws and that the Law stood? 

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Originally posted by Yankovich Yankovich wrote:

I don't recall God saying anything about smoking, and the NT doesn't forbid alcohol only drunkeness.  God wants us to be as wise as serpents - so, that would mean we shouldn't be downing 2 or three pounds of raw red meat each day, or raw pork for that matter.  However, I have to tell you, pork is my favorite meat.  I think that it was forbidden in the Old Testament times due to problems with parasites not being destroyed by cooking (as in those days, rare meats were in vogue).

Yank,

I think that Islam and Judaism put too much importance on what to eat and what to wear, etc., and not enough attention to what is really important and what God really wants from us.

Good works are fine, but faith comes first and the product of that faith is good works.  Good works will not get you saved.  God does not owe us anything and He can't be bought.

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