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Originally posted by bmzsp bmzsp wrote:

It was a joy when slightly more than two weeks ago, the Japanese worshipped me but now I have a different problem. Now people are trying to make me worship a man, Jesus.

I live on the 16th storey and there are four apartments to a floor. Out of the blue, four nice Evangelists have moved in and taken up the four apartments on the 17th storey.

As I entered my lift lobby this evening, I was greeted by my four new happy and smiling vertical neighbours. I returned their greetings but made a mistake of extending greetings upon greetings.

They invited me to come up and hear the word of the Lord. They asked me if I believed in God. I kept quiet.

Important Note: There are two things that I admire most about Jesus, one he would keep quiet after he had said something or was asked something silly and the other when he said not to worry.

They asked me if I was a Muslim or a Hindu and it was then I said,"You mean, the Holy Cow and the Holy Trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiv!"

They said,"No, brother! We will show you the true Trinity and you will be surprised." One of them already gave me the example of Water, Ice and Vapour, which I refuted in the lift and they have invited me to their preaching on Thursdays at their place, where I will be taught and shown the way by their experts.

I will report on the teachings and the progress as and when I can.  

Bismillah,

More power to you!  Thanks for all of YOUR anti-evangelizing efforts, Brother!  I got tired of that a ways back. (That's hick talk in case y'all hadn't spotted it.)
Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Oh! George, look what you have done? It's four of them on 17th Storey.

They have gatherings, not noisy at all, they are peaceful but they are too sweet, which I feel is too much as it won't get them anywhere as far as I am concerned. 

One is an American, the second is an Australian, the third is an Indian and the fourth is a Chinese. I think, I will go after the Indian.  Did you give them the Google Earth Coordinates showing the location of my condominium? We have two local missionaries, staying in my block, who are on active duty in Vietnam and Cambodia and they have ganged up with these four! I was working very hard on those two but looks like my efforts would be ruined by the new arrivals. 
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herjihad,

Assalaam Alaikum,

So far, from my past experience, after meeting me once, no evangelist has ever returned back with answers to my questions.

But the problem is these noble souls are living right above my ceiling!  Anyway, I have no choice but to love my vertical neighbours and I will tell them that Islam teaches that one should not just love the neighbour only but also the relatives, distant relatives, the man in distress, even travellers in the journey, the needy and the poor.

BR & Good Night

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BMZSP....Are those Evangelists nice to you? Have you ever meet their leaders? You will see how 'nice' they are.... Christian Evangelists like Jerry Vines (of Southern Baptist Convention), Pat Robertson (of 700 Club), Jerry Falwell (of Christian Moral Majority) and Franklin Graham (of Samaritan�s Purse), all known for their bigotry have degraded , insulted, and slandered Islam in the media etc! It is an irony that they are afraid to debate openly in the public!
God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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AbRah,

They are very nice and sweet to me. They are sweet to evevryone but sweeter to me specially.  No, they are not of the types you mentioned.

They just want to make a Christian out of me.  Jesus was himself not a Christian, so how could one try to make me one?

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Dear all, a question, before I go out.

I was at a friend's place this afternoon and read his Grandfather's Bible.

It said,"............Jesus hung his head and gave up the Holy Ghost." (please note, I am quoting from memory of what I read)

Was this "Holy Ghost" the same "Holy Spirit" that we talk about in our discussions?

Clarify please.
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I do not find the term "Holy" Ghost used, simply ghost or spirit.

  1. John 19:30
    • American Standard Version (ASV)
      When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up his spirit.
      John 19:29-31 (in Context) John 19 (Whole Chapter)
    • King James Version (KJV)
      When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
      John 19:29-31 (in Context) John 19 (Whole Chapter)
    • New International Version (NIV)
      When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
      John 19:29-31 (in Context) John 19 (Whole Chapter)



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Thanks, David.

Having been so much used to write "the Holy" everyday in discussions, I made that mistake.

You are right, it was "...and he gave up the ghost", which must have meant, "he gave up his soul."

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