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Hayfa 
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 Posted: 03 June 2008 at 8:04am |
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not aure wht is good for her.. she is in prison... going to live a long time there.. or an insane asylum..
nothing good about whole situation.. more lives are destroyed
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Posted: 03 June 2008 at 8:46am |
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Shasta'sAunt
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Posted: 03 June 2008 at 10:21am |
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"I'm not surprised as the penalty of leaving Islam is death. Care to elaborate?"
This subject has been broached here numerous times before. There is nothing in Islam that adjucates death for apostates. You can find the previous threads if you would like to read the posts. Even if Islam did call for such deaths, they would not be considered honor killings.
Many anti-islamic websites use the actions of some Muslims as tenets of Islam without ever really studying Islam. Unfortunately many people also make this mistake. It is a sword that can cut both ways as it is just as easy to judge all Christians by the actions of a few without truly studying Christianity.
For instance: why would an Evangelical preacher call for the death of a head of state. One of the tenets of Christianity must be assassination of those leaders you do not agree with. Care to elaborate? Edited by Shasta'sAunt - 03 June 2008 at 10:21am |
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Posted: 04 June 2008 at 6:07pm |
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Well obviously Mystical you being a woman and being married can "understand her situation" as a male and knows law I cannot understand why she would kill another human being. Whether this were to be a man or woman my opinion is unchanged. She deserves to rot in jail. I would say the same if this was a male. There are other ways of handling a situation than taking a life. your previous comment denotes some moral justification. Just because she is a woman and has been in a depressing situation and because her husband decides to move on does not give her any moral right. Even if your comments didn't imply she has a right, still you seem to find some underlined justification (See comment: Mystical says "GOOD FOR HER!!" Am I condoning her killing her husband?...of course not but I can understand it 'cause put in the same situation what woman wouldnt want to KILL her disrespectful husband?) I wonder what kind of Christian, or whatever you are, are you?
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Hayfa
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Posted: 05 June 2008 at 9:20am |
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And another point, 54% of people cheat on their spouses, if they all killed each other... It is another level to be angry, sad, hurt etc. It is another to kill another person. some people are unhinged mentally, but many are not.
Maybe needed better impulse control...
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Mystical
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Posted: 05 June 2008 at 8:49pm |
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I'm not saying this is a good situation it's a very tragic situation for all concerned. In my opinion this woman does not deserve prison she deserves help. She is not a danger to society but a victim herself. Through no fault of her own she found herself in unbearable situation due in part to the actions of her husband. She lost a child. Her husband wants to remarry. The monetary compensation (which in no way compensates for losing a child!) they receive for the accident re their child is spent on acquiring a new wife for the husband. How can one NOT have empathy for the wife?
It's not right what she did but it is very understandable. Put yourself in her shoes, what if she was your mother? This woman needs compassion. She is not a murderer. Many in such similar situation will be found not guilty due to insanity. She is punished enough knowing she killed her husband and father to her children. If she doesnt have family support outside she would probably prefer prison.
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Mystical
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Posted: 05 June 2008 at 9:30pm |
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Hi there Shasta'sAunt:
I'm Catholic and admittedly I know very little about Islam. However I have read the arguments to and against the killing of apostates in other forums and there is no denying that many Muslims believe this is because of certain verses in the Quran. Sorry can't give you quotes off the top of my head but it's easy to retrieve them. Many Muslim who leave Islam fear disclosing their apostasy because of this belief...that they will be killed for it becuase the Quran demands it.
There is also many ex-Muslim sites which are anti-Islam and their testimony cannot be rejected as anti-Muslim. They have been there themself and were believers in Islam. You cannot dismiss their fear of disclosing their apostasy as not understanding Islam.
I don't know who you are refering to here. Still your argument is pretty lame here and I think you know that.
dear Shasta'sAunt, I think maybe I offended you it was not intentional. Please do not take my comments personally. Peace.
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Mystical
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Posted: 05 June 2008 at 9:51pm |
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A male should also have no problem "understanding her situation" you just need a little compassion and have the ability to place yourself her shoes.
People make fatal mistakes what is so hard to understand? The law is one thin but having having the ability to empathise with her is a personal judgement which obviously you don't.
I am not justifying what she did...it is wrong to kill... but their are degrees of culpability in my view. I can understand that this is some-thing anyone can fall victim of and that if I was in her situation I can't say with utmost cetainty that I too wouldnt react that way. I believe she has a good case to rightfully plead not guilty due to temporary insanity. She doesnt deserve to rot in jail. What if she was your mother, your sister, or even your grandmother...would you feel any differently?...Or simply dismiss her as a murderer?
Mate. you don't know me and you are entitled to judge me according to what I state in writing. I can assure you however I'm a pussycat
 and I do not condone killing unless in self defence. But that's another topic altogether.Peace
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