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Jenni ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 705 |
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I think this empasis on a male obgyn is overrated. Let me say that I
sought out females with both of my deliveries and had sucsess with
them. However I think all of you should know as a Person who worked in
Surgery, I was A surgical assistant for 6 years before having kids that
your modesty is the last concern during any operation. If you have
abdominal surgery your entire abdomen and breasts would be exposed and
possibly your pubic area and your stomach shaved. If you have rectal
surgery your bottom will be in the air naked if front of many people.
And there is no way to get an all female room in most cases,99%. There
will be nurses, orderlies and the doctors most likely male in and out
of the room. Our main concern was safety and patient care and the last
thing we cared about was you naked. It was strictly anatomy or body
parts to us and we just go about our business talking and listening to
music during any procedure. So the point is professinals, most of them
like me have seen so many naked people men and women that we really are
numb to it. We want to make the procedure go well, not stare at your
private parts. I believe the same is for male gynocologists and if I
lived in a rural area with no women I would gladly see one with no
shame in it, and I believe there would be no sin in it either. Peace
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You cant be a good muslim if you are not decent and have a cold heart. Be a decent and kind person and care for women and children and the elderly.
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Nausheen ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Female Joined: 10 January 2001 Status: Offline Points: 4251 |
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Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem, Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,
Walaikum assalam sister, That was the most interesting comment I have read so far on this thread, alhamdulillah. If you may, the prediction of your dream is that something very nice is going to take place in your life, insha allah. Giving birth to a baby boy in a dream is absolutely positive - that is what I have heard thru sources I had this dream once, long ago, and this was the prediction I received from a friend. Indeed something wonderful happened (no it was not a baby boy that I delivered actually), - very unexpected - something that I dont know if I was waiting for or thought I wanted, but alhamdulillah that is how it was. So, sisters, if you want to sleep after reading this thread, please feel free Maa salaama, Nausheen Edited by Nausheen |
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Lameese ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Female Joined: 08 April 2002 Status: Offline Points: 304 |
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LOOOOOOOOOL! I feel for you! You did a lot of WORK in that dream. Maybe you will have another one :)
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Lameese ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Female Joined: 08 April 2002 Status: Offline Points: 304 |
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I am in health care too and everything you said is 100% correct. It is very hard on pt's that need total care but we are professionals and have seen so many naked bodies that no one cares anything about that. The pt is your primary concern, their health and saftey.
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Israfil ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 September 2003 Status: Offline Points: 3984 |
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Angel I re-read your post just in case i missed anything and I
probably will respond with nothing new than what i mentioned before on this issue but here are your post as they are numbered: Quote: why would a male choose that line of profession? Well the most noblest answer would be to better understand the human anatomy and to better advance the human condition. Well, yes but in a not so long destint past being a doctor of any sorts was basically male and its only recently that women are in areas where once it was just men, I think even now women doctors have a hard time getting past this fratenity of men. 1)I personally think OB/GYN should be left to women you ask: Quote: is there something I as a man cannot comprehend....? oh sure, there is, you as a man and other men do not know what a woman goes thru what she feels Quote: The knowledge of a female gynecologist and male gynecologist are the same. The go through the same schooling and practice in the same field. Their only difference is perhaps the salary and their sex. Well, yes and you say the knowledge of a female gynecologist and male gyneocologist are the same, physically yes but a woman does have an advantage over a male somewhat Women understand women better on an emotional and intutive level this is where and what women want most of all, but I will admit that some women can be rough as Kim mentioned and in my experience women some, don't understand another because they do not have or go thru the same as the other woman. I often think I perfer a woman examining me but honestly I would just want a doctor that is sensitive...... My comments: Overall what you said in response to me its hard for me to not understand, and from your words ou mentioned a few things. You prefer Female Gynaecologist but if need be you'd rather choose someone skilled and professional and someone sensitive to your needs. with that in mind i don't deny nor disagree. You mentioned that medicine is dominated by males and I would agree save nursing. Nursing there are more women than men in nursing, well, at least here in the states. Nursing is also seen as geneder specific, in the sense that certain aspects of nursing are seen as feminine. But I would agree that most mainstream mdicine is dominated by males and i would like to believe that its because of the applicants unfortunately that may not be the case. People here have preferences and I respect that. but what you all must understand that its about professionalism. Trust me my mother used to be an RN and the stories she told me I could imagine and I did! In fact what she used to tell me as a young child I seen for myself working in the hospital. Like my sandwich metaphor people make so many that the only thing that matters is making the sandwich and not what kind of sandwich. The same thing with examines for women. I believe that most of the counterarguments come from cultural philosophies that so many societies have clinged to. some of it is the macho (or in Spanish known as Machismo) where a man's wife being revealed to another man is a no no. Most men who subscribe to this type of method do not want to reveal their wives even for the purpose pf medicine to another man.... Not all subscribe to this but this is evident here at least where i live and the hospital i work. If I said that I would prefer a woman to give me genital exams many women would think its because of my sexual preference and some would go to the furthest extent of saying my lust for women, but in truth it really doesn't matter. If the sole ethical purpose was to save my life the doctor can be an alien for all I care. Medical ethics is all about what's best for the patient, what's best for society and what's best for humanity......... |
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hope ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 15 April 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 31 |
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Well, given a choice I would never see a make gyn/ob because of modesty. I don't think this is just for muslim women because there are a lot of non-muslim women that feel the same way. I have been told by friends that when the doc is a male there has to be a nurse present in the room at all times. the nurse does nothing but just stands behind him and watches his hands and what he is doing-------- I think that says a lot!
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Israfil ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 September 2003 Status: Offline Points: 3984 |
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Hope I don't think modesty is the case....What if the OB/GYN is
a lesbian who cannot control her desire for other women! the same can be said so i don't think modesty or privacy is the case. Again, modesty has nothing to do with medicine like I said these people have seen private parts so many times that it really doesn't matter...I think the only time when modesty is an issue if the female hygiene is bad. |
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ummziba ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Female Joined: 16 March 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1158 |
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Assalamu alaikum,
I'll add two things here. One, modesty doesn't matter to the health worker who has seen more nakedness than one could count - but it may matter very much to the woman who has to expose her own very private parts (regardless that they look just like everyone elses, regardless that the people looking at them have seen it all before, regardless that the health workers are behaving most professionally) - it can still be very traumatizing to the woman. This is even more especially so for woman (and unfortunately, there are millions of them) who have ever been sexually abused at any time in their life - this is something that may not have occured to you. Secondly, the woman's hygiene would not be a cause for her to worry about modesty. In my opinion, people with poor hygiene are generally unaware of it, or they would certainly do something about it! Linking modesty with hygiene makes no sense. Perhaps this whole topic could be summed up by stating that: as long as the health worker is professional, caring and gentle, it is unimportant what gender they are. The most important consideration is the feelings of the patient, who may or may not be in great stress over whatever proceedure they must endure. So, empathy and understanding are paramount. Peace, ummziba. |
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