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amlhabibi2000 
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Joined: 08 December 2004
Location: Canada
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Points: 447
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 Posted: 31 May 2007 at 11:44am |
Salam Alaikoam
Life is the real Quran and each of our lives is a chapter in it.
Each religion or even the absence of one has wisdom to share in them and it is wise to appreciate this truth and not belittle anyone for the path they follow.
These are My Messenger may you guide them gently and treat them well!
Counseling is for personal issues relating to mental health, consultation is like when you want to build a house you checkout different building designers and see what they are killed at, their knowledge of where to put the house, what kind of materials, insultation, environment saving features etc.
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Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
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amlhabibi2000
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Joined: 08 December 2004
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 447
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Posted: 31 May 2007 at 11:47am |
You do not understand the sunnah very far. As long as certain conditions are met, the hadd (fixed punishment) of a thief is to have the hand cut off. You claim to be a voice of God and you blunder on basic notions in the deen. You cannot even speak with any accuracy for a faith you claim to be a voice for. Pathetic.
Furthermore, Islam is not modeled after some western, juvenile support group model. Thieves are not given counseling, they are punished.
Brothers these thieves are my voice, my hands, my feet the best justice for them is Education, Counseling and Consultation so they may learn skills to provide for themselves with grace and dignity there is no justice in committing violence against them or anyone!
You and all brothers and sisters are here to create heaven on earth and peace within each of you not slaughter and maim each other it is time to grow up.
Salam
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Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
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Hayfa
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Female
Joined: 07 June 2005
Location: United States
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Points: 2368
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Posted: 31 May 2007 at 12:31pm |
Annie,
It is great you believe that there are ways to help peope. That you really don't want to harm others (at leat I think you don't ).
At times I can think that "punishment" can seem a little harsh. Cutting off a hand, stoning etc. But besides punishment these measures are there to protect others. The innocent. Two classic examples are rapists and pedophiles. These are two grotesque acts that violate the very essence of the person. And most do it a multitude of times. Imagine after catching them and they faced a punishment we could protect people.
I watch a show often called 48 hours. And they talk about various crimes. And you know, most are not accidents, they are intentional murders. To take away someone's life. Done in anger, greed, lack of humanity etc. Honestly why do we need these people? We are not after all, talking about children, we are talking about grown adults.
I'd rather see the women and children protected. So no it is not "slaughter." It is about protecting and caring for the innocent and weaker people.
Keep in mind, most violent crimes are committed by men. Men are stronger. They hold power. And in my mind shiriah is there to protect us from the ones who cannot live in bounds of decent society.
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When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy. Rumi
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amlhabibi2000
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Joined: 08 December 2004
Location: Canada
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Points: 447
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Posted: 31 May 2007 at 1:40pm |
Salam Alaikoam those monsters as you call them are human beings too, they were children once, youth once and even in old age correction can happen.
If they cannot be corrected then confine them in a juste manner and offer them every chance at learning better ways of being.
As I Allah am the only one who can choose the time of the end of any human being no Mankind.
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Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
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Andalus
Moderator Group
Joined: 12 October 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1187
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Posted: 31 May 2007 at 5:07pm |
 amlhabibi2000 wrote:
Salam Alaikoam
Life is the real Quran and each of our lives is a chapter in it.
Each religion or even the absence of one has wisdom to share in them and it is wise to appreciate this truth and not belittle anyone for the path they follow.
These are My Messenger may you guide them gently and treat them well!
Counseling is for personal issues relating to mental health, consultation is like when you want to build a house you checkout different building designers and see what they are killed at, their knowledge of where to put the house, what kind of materials, insultation, environment saving features etc.
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There is only one Quran and it is real,and life is not the Quran.
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A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
http://www.sunnipath.com
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/
http://www.pt-go.com/
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Andalus
Moderator Group
Joined: 12 October 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1187
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Posted: 31 May 2007 at 5:09pm |
amlhabibi2000 wrote:
You do not understand the sunnah very far. As long as certain conditions are met, the hadd (fixed punishment) of a thief is to have the hand cut off. You claim to be a voice of God and you blunder on basic notions in the deen. You cannot even speak with any accuracy for a faith you claim to be a voice for. Pathetic.
Furthermore, Islam is not modeled after some western, juvenile support group model. Thieves are not given counseling, they are punished.
Brothers these thieves are my voice, my hands, my feet the best justice for them is Education, Counseling and Consultation so they may learn skills to provide for themselves with grace and dignity there is no justice in committing violence against them or anyone!
You and all brothers and sisters are here to create heaven on earth and peace within each of you not slaughter and maim each other it is time to grow up.
Salam
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Muslims are here to worship God, and carry out His commands, which does not call for consultation of thieves. Allah has ordered this, and if you feel it must be abrogated, then this is yet another sign of your kufr.
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A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
http://www.sunnipath.com
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/
http://www.pt-go.com/
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Andalus
Moderator Group
Joined: 12 October 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1187
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Posted: 31 May 2007 at 5:12pm |
amlhabibi2000 wrote:
Salam Alaikoam those monsters as you call them are human beings too, they were children once, youth once and even in old age correction can happen.
If they cannot be corrected then confine them in a juste manner and offer them every chance at learning better ways of being.
As I Allah am the only one who can choose the time of the end of any human being no Mankind.
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Allah has chosen the end of life in various circumstances. You are a kafir Anne, it is that simple. You are not a Muslim. Please take your religous drivel some place else.
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A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
http://www.sunnipath.com
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/
http://www.pt-go.com/
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minuteman
Senior Member
Joined: 25 March 2007
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Points: 1642
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Posted: 01 June 2007 at 5:57am |
amlhabibi2000, To me, You may not be a kafir. It depends whether you believe in the One God or not. Also whether you believe in Muhammad, the messenger of Allah. Also, wether you believe in the angels and books and messengers of Allah. Make it to read, all the angels and all the books and all the messengers of Allah.
Whether you pray 5 times in a day and Pay poor tax and observe the sanctity of the Month of Ramadhan by fasting during the month. Also if you believe in the performance of Hajj at the sacred house at Makkah.
Please let me know about all these things. Then I will try to understand you. Until then, nothing can be said about you. Please do not mind my asking. Thanks.
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