Muslim women badly treated.

aisha wrote: yes we know this happens,but what we are saying is that these people are not true muslims they have got it wrong i beg you to read the quran in english you will not find it suports such wickedness.

I have read the quran, twice.  There are also some horrific things said in that also.  I will get the quran and state it on here some of the things that are un human.

Sandra, honour killings is not islamic. Whatever happened to those women is very unfortunate and shouldn't happen but honour killings can happen anywhere from anyone despite it being dominated in most islamic countries, just because something happens in a islamic country does not make it islamic.

I sense you are passionate about this issue but please remember is it not soley from islam - it can happen anywhere from anyone or under different names.

Honour killings is a cultural thing that had/has gotten mixed in with religion that is why it looks as if these killings are from. Separate cultural and religion and you'll see the difference.

Here below is a couple of part interviews with Queen Rania of Jordon, it is from her own offical website: http://www.queenrania.jo/

Thursday, October 16, 2003
With Alan Murray & Gloria Borger
CNBC, Capital Report  

MURRAY: One of the causes you've taken up at home is combating these honor killings which, as I understand it, are situations where men kill women, maybe their relatives, their spouses for immoral behavior. Are you making progress on that?

QUEEN RANIA: Slowly, but surely. I think, you know, when it comes to changing these kinds of things, on the one hand you want to change some of the laws. On the other hand, it's even more important to change some of the perceptions and social attitudes, and those take a long time to happen. You need to start from the bottom up. You need to have educational awareness campaigns. You need to enlist leaders in society to talk to people about this issue. But we are very committed to eradicating this practice. Let me say that as much as something that happens in Jordan, it happens in many countries of the world, sometimes under a different label like crimes of passion, but I believe that the world has a long way to go for combating this issue of violence against women.

BORGER: Well, there is a story recently of an Iraqi exile, for example, who slit his own 16-year-old daughter's throat because he thought she had behaved in some kind of immoral way. You have tried to go to your legislature to get the "light" sentences for these kinds of crimes reduced, and you lost

QUEEN RANIA: This is part of the process, you know. This is when you have a democracy and an elected parliament; sometimes, you know, they disagree on these kinds of issues. And I think the result--this disagreement comes as a result of ignorance of the issue. People don't necessarily understand what crimes of honor actually mean. And they don't understand that it's against our religion, that there is no honor in taking the law in your own hands, and that's something we have to communicate to the people.

MURRAY: And do you feel like you're making progress on that?

QUEEN RANIA: Slowly, but, you know, as long as we're committed, I think in the end, we will take care of this issue. We're very committed to that.

And this is with Oprah: http://www.oprah.com/tows/pastshows/tows_past_20011005_d.jht ml

Oprah: What is life like for Muslim women in Jordan? I think we all have a misinterpretation that the women wearing the robes are dominated by men, that the women don't have a voice of their own. Is any part of that true?

Queen Rania: In Jordan, women lead a very free life. We find the level of education for men and women in Jordan is equal. We have women who participate in the business sector, in government, in the armed forces, in the police force, women judges. They're very much free to choose what kind of life they want to lead. The lives that they lead here are very similar to those that you see in other countries in the world.

That is not to say that they don't have challenges, but I think that the challenges that women face in Jordan are very similar to those that you see in other countries in the world, particularly developing countries. The obstacles that they face are more social or cultural hindrances. Women in our part of the world have to be encouraged to be more confident, to voice their concerns, to fight for their legal rights, and to do what the women in the States and in Europe did: try to gain their rights by voicing their concerns and fighting for them.

Oprah: One of the things that we have been horrified by in the U.S., and I've actually done several shows about here, are honor killings. I know you have campaigned against honor killings, the Jordanian parliament however, as I understand it, has rejected laws that would treat those crimes as seriously as other homicides. Where does that stand now?

Queen Rania: It's very important for me to clarify that honor kilings are not in any way condoned or accepted in Islam. They are, in fact, un-Islamic. These are more cultural and social aspects that we have to deal with here.

What we're looking to do here in Jordan, and our voices have been heard and many people have been rallying, is to try to explain the whole issue of honor killings, and to try to explain where Islam stands [on] this issue. Once we have this open dialogue and we reach to the grassroots where people can understand this issue, we are hoping through democratic process to change these laws that we have in Jordan.

The problem was the fact that people didn't understand what honor killings were and how often they were happening and all the dimensions of the issue. We need more public awareness about the issue and that's what we're doing right now. It's only a matter of time before these laws that you're referring to are going to be changed.

Also I have just read in a local magazine and since you are in Australia it is in the latest Women's Weekly, a more recent interview where Queen Rania mentions that she is working towards and educating people, families in awareness of domestic voilence. 

Sandra,

Please, would you define:  Muslim, Islam and Islamic.  You don't seem to have a clue what these mean.

ummziba.