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George
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We don't know that they didn't keep little scraps of whatever Jesus wrote or if he wrote. They would be long gone by now. I am really shocked that the Muslims didn't keep any scraps of what Muhammad wrote; even if it was an X. I am also shocked that the Qur'an that his daughter used was destroyed. The world is full of shocking thing. LOL |
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George
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BMZ: You posted: Did Gabriel ask the Prophet of Islam to read or recite when Gabriel first encountered Muhammad in the cave? It's just not your day, George! You wrote: "I don't understand what all the fuss is about. What difference does it make whether Muhammad could read or write or not?" You started the thread, George! And my response is: Yes, I started the thread and I am asking another related question. I am having a great day!!! Edited by George |
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BMZ
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"I am really shocked that the Muslims didn't keep any scraps of what Muhammad wrote; even if it was an X. I am also shocked that the Qur'an that his daughter used was destroyed." There you get the answer. He did not even know how to write an X. I am also very shocked to hear that: "the Qur'aan that his daughter used was destroyed." Her "Qur'aan" was her living father, the Prophet. There was no compiled Qur'aan in the form of a book when she was alive. She died within six months after her father's death. I think she was only 19 when she passed away. |
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George
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BMZ, please follow the dots: Dot One: From Mishmish "In the instances of the Hadith you site, the Prophet(PBUH) was sending letters to the leaders of neighboring countries, getting married, etc... all that would have been sufficient would have been His mark, or signature. The Hadiths do not state that the Prophet(PBUH) wrote a manuscript or novel." Dot Two: From George "I am really shocked that the Muslims didn't keep any scraps of what Muhammad wrote; even if it was an X." I was picking up on what Mishmish said. Muhammad "wrote" letters. Obviously, if he couldn't write, he would have a secretary write the letters, but he did make his mark. BMZ, Muhammad was a very intelligent man and I am sure that he could understand the principle of making a mark on his letters to make them authentic. Dot Three: From BMZ There you get the answer. He did not even know how to write an X. Apparently someone (Mishmish and those who wrote the Hadiths) thinks that your prophet could write a "X" on documents and letters. From George: "I am also shocked that the Qur'an that his daughter used was destroyed." From BMZ: "I am also very shocked to hear that: "the Qur'aan that his daughter used was destroyed." From George: I was speaking of Hafsa's Qur'anic documents, whether daughter, wife or whomever.
If I were a Muslim it would not bother me if my prophet could read or write. |
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BMZ
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George, From George: I was speaking of Hafsa's Qur'anic documents, whether daughter, wife or whomever.
You should get the facts right before you write. You are now speaking of Hafsa. Writing "whether daughter, wife or whomever" is not in a good taste.
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George
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If I have offended you, then I apologize, but at least you know now what I am referring to. :) |
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Thanks, George. Good Night BMZ |
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Mishmish
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Assalamu Alaikum: The Prophet(PBUH) put his mark on the letters by using a wax and his ring, which was engraved: Mohammed Messenger of Allah. The letters he sent were written at his behest, not by him. The Quran states quite clearly that the Prophet was unlettered. At least he was alive at the time and able to dictate what should be written to his companions and the people around him, so that years after his death things would not be written that take on mystical proportions and turn him into something he was not....
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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)
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