Jesus� Second Coming

fredifreeloader wrote: amlhabibi2000 wrote: Jihad means struggle and the first and most important level is the struggle with self, ie working on being a good person can we have a confirmation from the quran for this statement?

Fred: We already did this on another thread. Do you REALLY want me to copy all of that again when you know it's there?

Think of a new question...

"All this taken into consideration, it seems that that site makes Jesus seem far more important than the founder of Islam.  Also, Jesus is said to be still alive, whereas Mohammed is dead, right? "

Well, since we believe GOD founded Islam, we Muslims would say that it is a blasphemy to make Jesus more important than God. To Christians though, that doesn't seem to be a problem, so feel free....

Servie,

From you:"�BMZ, you have already told me [George] that you do not believe that Jesus will come again.�

I notice that you have remained silent on this point, BMZ.  If you don't mind my asking, is this true?  Do you reject the ahadith, including those from Sahih Bukhari, which describe the rise of Dajjal and the return of Jesus?  Please explain."

Silence is golden and Yes! I wanted to be silent on this issue. George and I have discussed these issues on two sites, an Islamic site and the other an unholy site.  You must have noticed that George started a few threads by quoting my name in his posts?  I wish George had not initiated that way. This one is sensitive but since you asked me sincerely, I will break my silence and say a few words:

I do not reject Ahaadith or the sayings of our dear Prophet. I do not accept only those ahaadith which do not stand true in the light or shade of Qur'aan, even though people call them "Authentic".

More than sixteen years ago, when I did not understand Arabic, although I could read and write, I used to accept each and every hadith as told. Ignorance is a bliss. There was a lecture by a scholar who quoted a hadith which did not seem right to me. I grilled him and asked him to quote me from Qur'aan. Instead of quoting from Qur'aan, he told me to go read, learn and study Qur'aan, which I did. I spent about 13 years on that and with over 120 times detailed readings and study of Qur'aan, I learnt a lot but I never found any reference to or the topic mentioned by that scholar.

And I found out that it is better to be in pain rather than enjoying the bliss of ignorance.

Qur'aan really teaches and explains. There are no gospel writers in it and when I read it I can feel how God spoke with Muhammad through the Arch-Angel Gabriel, known as the Holy Spirit or the Spirit of Truth, who faithfully delivered and conveyed God's messages to all prophets and Mary. 

Now Qur'aan stands Supreme among all Islamic texts and books and if a hadith, no matter how authentic it may be, is weak or sounds incorrect, I reject it. I can't agree with the argument that even though the hadith is weak and it is in the collections, hence one must believe in it.

Regarding the return of Jesus, I do not believe in that because if Jesus were really to return, it would have been a subject of a great importance and God would have told us clearly. There is no verse in Qur'aan that clearly says that God will send Jesus back again. The Hadith subject does that. Some point to a few verses of Qur'aan and say that such verses point to the return of Jesus.

If we read NT carefully, Jesus completed or accomplished his mission that he was sent for.  If Jesus were to come to become a Muslim like us, then all prophets should be given a second chance!

I believe that Jesus did his best, people tried to kill him, God saved him for God is the Mighty and the Only Saviour. He escaped, lived somewhere to his ripe old age and died. Only his mother Mary, Mary Magdala and the people who were really very close to him, hid him and took good care of him, buried him somewhere in an unmarked grave.  There are many reasonable doubts within the NT itself, that confirm he survived the crucification, was healed and lived.

Best Regards

BMZ

Fredi,

Last time it was sin everytime of the day and now you are making me feel ashamed of gospels!

Is there anything nicer, available.