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Originally posted by Angela Angela wrote:

People need to be educated about ALL THE RISK FACTORS and people need to stop blaming the Gay community.  The disease originated out of tainted Monkey meat in the Congo......the first cases weren't even from sex.

I couldn't agree more



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ughh. folk, i got confused in what i was asking.
yea, it's obvious that islam forbids zina, and that zina is the cause of most deseases. but these days, there are so many reverts/converts, so many muslims who did lots of sins before learning islam closer(take ex-ussr countries), so many muslims who are not muslims at all, etc. can we say that virginity in islam still keeps it's importance in such our time?
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As salamu Alaykum,

Of course it has still the importance,but in the large arms of Islam there is so much place for who are not virgins but laterly who promised to obey Allah,of course some of them did not loose their virginity intentionally...in such our times!,new agers come from the darkness to Islam, also some of them became the candles of Islam...whoever we are,let's leave the past and see what we can do inside our new life,with Islam...

I learnt ghusl and ablution at the second term of the university,imagine how Allah opened His arms to me while living in a muslim country hearing azaans four times a day(4 times because i was all sleeping at the fajr time)...

Nobody should loose his hope from Allah,Allah knows the best...



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could it be meant that reverted(whoever) muslim nonvirgins shouldn't be treated as born muslim virgins?
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As Salamu Alaykum Sister

I do not think so,all muslims are has the same worth on this earth,at the hereafter only Allah can judge who is worthful or not, we have no right to judge each others or establish some apolets,reverts has priorities,also born muslims have too...all blessings from Allah for balancing this world with Islam...feel the mission...take care...

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Originally posted by Angela Angela wrote:

AIDS is not just a Homosexual disease.  This is the greatest and deadliest myth surrounding AIDS.  You can get AIDS from Heterosexual partners and its spreading quickest among heterosexual blacks.  The Homosexual community is aware of the disease, but its the Heterosexuals that aren't learning the lessons.

AIDS can be spread through unclean hospitals, blood transfusions.  By sex, through prostitutes, promiscious liasons and by birth.  Drug needles are another risk factor.

People need to be educated about ALL THE RISK FACTORS and people need to stop blaming the Gay community.  The disease originated out of tainted Monkey meat in the Congo......the first cases weren't even from sex.

Angela:

I never claimed it was a gay disease, but it is more prevalent among homosexual men.  There is a very real issue in the world today, at least in the African-American community here in the States, of men who are gay but do not consider themselves to be so (use bisexual if you prefer).... who have gay sex which their partners know nothing about and infect their partners.  Many infectious disease experts feel that this accounts for the high rate of infection among heterosexual African-American women.  The CDC is actually investigating this phenomenon to see how it has impacted the transmission rates.  Yes, it can be gotten through heterosexual sex, tainted needles, blood transfusions, etc.  But denying that gay sex is a transmission form is ignorant as well.

The best form of prevention is to follow Allah's plan... remain a virgin until marriage and remain faithful to your marriage partner.  Promiscuity is the issue with all STDs.

And yes, anti-gay attitudes among Muslims can affect this as very few gay Muslim men that I know (and yes I do know some... and yes one can be gay and Muslim) are "out" to anybody in their family or community.  The stigma is just too great.  Remember, one can still be put to death or in jail for homosexual sex in most Muslim countries.

Peace.

Why the LDS quote? Do you really think that any Muslim who believes in one God, that God had know offspring, and that Muhammad (pbuh) was the last Prophet would ever believe in Joseph Smith or Bringham Young as a prophet?



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oh me silly girl. i'm shy to say this , but.. you won't believe what's my answer to my confused question. i've just found out that Zina is NOT a SIN for nonmuslims. . and as i had proposals mostly from nonmuslims, it was weird for me when i was questioned for the first time if i was a virgin or not. yeah, now you all know who is sister_m82 , a girl laughing at her own silliness. pray for me to gain more good knowledge. sorry

after some surfings in inet to find smth on this topic, only this text caught my attention:
"Sex is a major component in most relationships. And part of finding Miss Right includes being with a person who has the same sexual mentality and physicality you do, regardless of their saintly or sordid past."


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AIDS Cases by Age

Of the estimated number of AIDS cases, person�s age at time of diagnosis were distributed as follows:

Age Estimated # of AIDS Cases in 2004 Cumulative Estimated # of AIDS Cases, Through 2004*
Under 13: 48 9,443
Ages 13 to 14: 60 959
Ages 15 to 19: 326 4,936
Ages 20 to 24: 1,788 34,164
Ages 25 to 29: 3,576 114,642
Ages 30 to 34: 5,786 195,404
Ages 35 to 39: 8,031 208,199
Ages 40 to 44: 8,747 161,964
Ages 45 to 49: 6,245 99,644
Ages 50 to 54: 3,932 54,869
Ages 55 to 59: 2,079 29,553
Ages 60 to 64: 996 16,119
Ages 65 or older: 901 14,410
*Includes persons with a diagnosis of AIDS from the beginning of the epidemic through 2004.

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AIDS Cases by Race/Ethnicity

Estimated numbers of diagnoses of AIDS, by race or ethnicity:

Race or Ethnicity Estimated # of AIDS Cases in 2004 Cumulative Estimated # of AIDS Cases, Through 2004*
White, not Hispanic 12,013 375,155
Black, not Hispanic 20,965 379,278
Hispanic 8,672 177,164
Asian/Pacific Islander 488 7,317
American Indian/Alaska Native 193 3,084
*Includes persons with a diagnosis of AIDS from the beginning of the epidemic through 2004.

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AIDS Cases by Exposure Category

Following is the distribution of the estimated number of diagnoses of AIDS among adults and adolescents by exposure category. A breakdown by sex is provided where appropriate.

Exposure Category Estimated # of AIDS Cases, in 2004
Male Female Total
Male-to-male sexual contact 17,691 - 17,691
Injection Drug Use 5,968 3,184 9,152
Male-to-male sexual contact and injection drug use 1,920 - 1,920
Heterosexual contact 5,149 7,979 13,128
Other** 298 279 577

 

Exposure Category Estimated # of AIDS Cases, Through 2004*
Male Female Total
Male-to-male sexual contact 441,380 - 441,380
Injection Drug Use 176,162 72,651 248,813
Male-to-male sexual contact and injection drug use 64,833 - 64,833
Heterosexual contact 59,939 99,175 159,114
Other** 14,085 6,636 20,721
*Includes persons with a diagnosis of AIDS from the beginning of the epidemic through 2004.
** Includes hemophilia, blood transfusion, perinatal, and risk not reported or not identified.

The distribution of the estimated number of diagnoses of AIDS, among children*** by exposure categories follows:

Exposure Category Estimated # of AIDS Cases in 2004 Cumulative Estimated # of AIDS Cases Through 2004*
Perinatal 47 8,779
Other** 0 664

*Includes persons with a diagnosis of AIDS from the beginning of the epidemic through 2004.
** Includes hemophilia, blood transfusion, and risk not reported or not identified.
***The term "children" refers to persons under age 13 at the time of diagnosis.

 

According to this website, the CDC, there were 24,777 reported cases of AIDS infection that were not contracted through Homosexual sex and only 17,691 that were that means that is NOT more prevailent in the homosexual community.  Again, you are propogating a myth.  AIDS is most commonly spread through unprotected sex....but that doesn't mean homosexual sex.  The only way to be sure not to get AIDS is know ALL THE RISK FACTORS.  Abstain from sex until marriage.  Talk to your partner about AIDS and get tested.  Don't do drugs and ask questions when getting tattoos and other medical procedures.  If you know you've got an upcoming elective surgery.  Donate Blood and have it kept for transfusion back into you at the surgery, or have family donate blood.

 

As for the LDS quote.  I'm LDS, so its my quote for now....I change periodically.  Do you find fault with what Joseph is saying here?  Has he said anything that is counter to the truth?  If God requires it, can it be bad??????  I rather like the quote.  You don't have to accept Joseph Smith, I'm not here to proselyte.  But he is one of MY Prophets and I would ask that you respect my choice and let the matter drop.

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