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'ALL MESSENGERS OF GOD has only ONE MESSAGE', this is what I believed about messengers. They do not quarrel and they do not have their own "private armies of believers". NOW, what is the matter with all of you trying to outdo each other by comparing Jesus and Muhammad for the purpose of claiming who is better than who? Muhammad never quarrel with Jesus and so Jesus with Muhammad, you know why? They worship and serve the SAME GOD and nobody among the two strayed from the MESSAGE of the EXALTED ONE WHO SENT them. As I as always telling, brothers and sisters this is onlky my opinion.
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Originally posted by ejdavid ejdavid wrote:

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Hatred toward Muhammad? Muhammad is dead, and deserves the respect given the dead. However, hatred towards MUHAMMADANS is entirely personal and directed entirely towards those MUHAMMADINS who bomb resort centers (Bali), comuter trains (Spain, England), and airplanes (your choice), and MUHAMMADANS who relish these things.

Muhammadans who do not relish these things are entirely exempt.
 
ejdavid,
hatred in Islam is forbidden, those of us who practice God's revealed guidance don't hate anyone, and we ask others to do the same. I would encourage you to not to fall in the traps of satan, rather love others and defeat satan.
 
 
The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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 Originally posted by StephenC

I see that the Qur'an tells about Christ and also foretells the coming of the Anti-Christ.

Yes, it does. But the word dajjal is perhaps not mentioned in the Quran as such. It is however mentioned in the sayings (Hadith) of the holy prophet.
 
But no coming of an Anti-Muhammad.
 
Yes, true. Not mentioned. But the anti Muhammad will be the anti-christ too. Anti christ is anti Muhammad. It shows that the followers of Muhammad, even though they will misunderstand things, but they will never be misguided entirely, as a class or Jama'at.
 
 Most of them will remain on the right path.

The reason for that is, the Quran, the sacred revealed book will remain intact without corruption. The other reason is that Allah promised Muhammad that some right guided persons (saints, Mujaddids, reformers) will be raised amongst the Muslims at the turn of every century who will revive the religion of Islam. If any weakness which had creeped in, that will be removed and Islam will be strengthened to a better level. The guidance will never be lost entirely.

So there is not going to be any anti-Muhammad.

Does that say anything about the status of Christ and the status of Muhammad?

The anti-christ is necessary because it is the christians who have reversed the teachings of Jesus and they are preaching something entirely different to what Jesus taught. But they do not understand and agree. It is confirmed by the Quran that the christians had the true guidance. But they lost it on the way due to the mischief of some persons.

The status of Jesus and Muhammad is the same. Teaching is almost the same. The message of both of them was Peace and to recognise the creator God and to worship him alone. That was to come closer to God Almighty. There was no difference in the teachings except few minor matters.
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 The status of muhammad and Jesus is the same as far as they are both messengers (rasool al Allah) of God. They are both human. They are not gods. They were both given guidance for the people.
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Originally posted by minuteman minuteman wrote:

 The status of muhammad and Jesus is the same as far as they are both messengers (rasool al Allah) of God. They are both human. They are not gods. They were both given guidance for the people.
 
Not quite right, as Jesus is also "The Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world" and "The Messiah" by his own words:-
 
 

Jesus admits He Is The �Messiah�:-

 

John 4:25-26

The woman said to him: �I know that Messiah (Greek text reads �Messias�) is coming, who is called Christ (Greek text reads �Christos�). Whenever that one arrives, he will declare all things to us openly.� 26 Jesus said to her: �I who am speaking to you am he.�



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Originally posted by harrdnut harrdnut wrote:

f they are not in the Quran don't bother.  Why?  Because nowhere does the god of the Quran say that his words are in any other book than the ARABIC Quran.

The HADITHS and the Sunna are in no way the words of Allah.  They are all the words of human beings and we all know how truthful human beings are, don't we

You are correct in stating that normal Hadith and Sunnah are not words of Allah. . . However according to orthodox Islam, and you may refer anyplace, Hadith Qudsi are considered the words of Allah. Some Hadith were His words dictated exactly by Gibrael to Muhammad. Those are called Hadith Qudsi or in english 'Sacred Hadith', hence the words involved are of Allah. Hadith Qudsi however are a very small part of regular Hadith. Muslims believe that other/regular Hadith are also essentially Allah's Will/Commands communicated to Prophet Muhammad, however the choice of words are Muhammad's own.
 
Infact, come to think of it, the Qur'an can be considered a Hadith, because it was uttered through the words of the Prophet, YET it was Allah's words. The source of BOTH Hadith and the Quran is the same. Primary source is Allah, and the means/secondary source was the Prophet Muhammad.
 
To say that only the Qur'an is correct, is implying that Muhammad told the truth when communicating the Qur'an but na'auzubillah told a lie when it came to Hadith ! - (And I say that assuming you are a Muslim who believes in the Qur'an, because if you are a non-muslim then there is no need for discussion in the firstplace)
 

� Say (O Muhammad): �It is not for me to change it of my own accord.  I only follow what is revealed to me.  I fear, if I were to disobey my Lord, the punishment of an awful day.�  Say: �If God had willed, I would not have recited it to you nor would He have made it known to you.  I have lived with you a whole lifetime before it came to me.  Have you no sense?�� (Quran 10:15-16)

 
If by 'words of human beings' you are referring to the truthfulness of the Narrators , then bear in mind that some of these Narrators are the ones who helped compile the Qur'an in the firstplace, they were Hafiz and thus in a way communicated the Qur'an to us, (as they learnt frm our Prophet) as well.
 
Hence one cannot believe in the Qur'an and yet dispute the Hadith. Otherwise there is a contradiction.


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Originally posted by robin robin wrote:

Originally posted by minuteman minuteman wrote:

 The status of muhammad and Jesus is the same as far as they are both messengers (rasool al Allah) of God. They are both human. They are not gods. They were both given guidance for the people.
 
Not quite right, as Jesus is also "The Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world" and "The Messiah" by his own words:-
 
 

Jesus admits He Is The �Messiah�:-

 

John 4:25-26

The woman said to him: �I know that Messiah (Greek text reads �Messias�) is coming, who is called Christ (Greek text reads �Christos�). Whenever that one arrives, he will declare all things to us openly.� 26 Jesus said to her: �I who am speaking to you am he.�

 
 
Robin, I do not know about any goat or lamb of God. Please use the real words and not metaphors. I agree that Jesus is the Messiah. It is written in the Quran that he was the Messiah. What else you need?
 
 Whatever the meaning of that, he was after all a messenger of Allah like our holy prophet. He was a man too. He (Jesus) was given guidance like our holy prophet. So what I wrote above was quite true. The only part that I did not write was the word Messiah. I admit that Jesus was the Messiah too. So I hope you are now happy and agree with me. Thanks.
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Robin, I do not know about any goat or lamb of God. Please use the real words and not metaphors. I agree that Jesus is the Messiah. It is written in the Quran that he was the Messiah. What else you need?
 
 Whatever the meaning of that, he was after all a messenger of Allah like our holy prophet. He was a man too. He (Jesus) was given guidance like our holy prophet. So what I wrote above was quite true. The only part that I did not write was the word Messiah. I admit that Jesus was the Messiah too. So I hope you are now happy and agree with me. Thanks.
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John 1:29
The next day he beheld Jesus coming toward him, and he said: "See, the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world!
 
John 1:35-41
Again the next day John was standing with two of his disciples, 36 and as he looked at Jesus walking he said: "See, the Lamb of God!" 37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus. 38 Then Jesus turned and, getting a view of them following, he said to them: "What are YOU looking for?" They said to him: "Rabbi, (which means, when translated, Teacher,) where are you staying?" 39 He said to them: "Come, and YOU will see." Accordingly they went and saw where he was staying, and they stayed with him that day; it was about the tenth hour. 40 Andrew the brother of Simon Peter was one of the two that heard what John said and followed [Jesus]. 41 First this one found his own brother, Simon, and said to him: "We have found the Mes�si�ah" (which means, when translated, Christ).
 
 
"The Lamb of God" means he is mankinds only savior.
 
God's metaphor for Jesus.
 
Where in the Quran did it say Jesus is the "Messiah"?
 
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