WHAT IS KUFR?????

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   Minuteman said
�Those who had been Momin and Those who had been Jews and Christians and Sabians, whoever believed in Allah and the last day and did good deeds, their reward will be with their Lord and they will have no fear and will not be grieved��

But the verse says, �Those who are believers and those who are Jews and Christians�. Whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good deeds�..�
 Remember that Momineen or Muslims are included in all this. And the Jews and the Christians, whoever believes in Allah. That means only the atheists are excluded. That is the benefit of mercy of the attribute Al-Raheem of Allah.

Brother, to understand a verse, we need to go thru its commentary, which gives us a good explanation as is supported by hadith. We are n't learnt person or know arabic, that we understand Quran directly. Both of us know our levels of knowledge. And we are very very far from interpreting these verses of Quran. We need to be very careful while doing so.
Coming to the understanding of the verse, Its said that jews, christians and believers --- which means those Jews who believed in Allah swt and followed Musa AS, those christians who believed in Allah and Isa AS, and those momin who believed in Allah and Muhammad [sallal lahu alaihi wasallam} . You refer to the tafseers and then do comment. Its not just muslims who are entitled to heavens but those jews and christians too who were believers then. A person needs to believe in Allah and Prophet {saws}  as its said in the Quran. 

"The religion before Allah is Islam." [Surah Aal-`Imran(3), 19] 

"Whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he will be among the losers" [Surah Aal-`Imran(3), 85] 

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him and his Household) has said that even if Moses were alive on the earth today, he (Moses) would have no option but to follow him (Muhammad) 

[Reported by Abu Dawud}

 Al-Raheem of Allah.
Remember this attribute of Allah swt is for whole humanity irrespective of any religion. But on the day of judgement, we need to fulfill the qualification for entering Jannah. It does n't mean we muslims be care free that we are entitled to Jannah. We enter there only after facing our punishments.

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seekshidayath Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Female Islam Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 3357	Posted: 01 March 2008 at 6:12pm
	Minuteman said �Those who had been Momin and Those who had been Jews and Christians and Sabians, whoever believed in Allah and the last day and did good deeds, their reward will be with their Lord and they will have no fear and will not be grieved�� But the verse says, �Those who are believers and those who are Jews and Christians�. Whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good deeds�..� Remember that Momineen or Muslims are included in all this. And the Jews and the Christians, whoever believes in Allah. That means only the atheists are excluded. That is the benefit of mercy of the attribute Al-Raheem of Allah. Brother, to understand a verse, we need to go thru its commentary, which gives us a good explanation as is supported by hadith. We are n't learnt person or know arabic, that we understand Quran directly. Both of us know our levels of knowledge. And we are very very far from interpreting these verses of Quran. We need to be very careful while doing so. Coming to the understanding of the verse, Its said that jews, christians and believers --- which means those Jews who believed in Allah swt and followed Musa AS, those christians who believed in Allah and Isa AS, and those momin who believed in Allah and Muhammad [sallal lahu alaihi wasallam} . You refer to the tafseers and then do comment. Its not just muslims who are entitled to heavens but those jews and christians too who were believers then. A person needs to believe in Allah and Prophet {saws} as its said in the Quran. "The religion before Allah is Islam." [Surah Aal-`Imran(3), 19] "Whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he will be among the losers" [Surah Aal-`Imran(3), 85] The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him and his Household) has said that even if Moses were alive on the earth today, he (Moses) would have no option but to follow him (Muhammad) [Reported by Abu Dawud} Al-Raheem of Allah. Remember this attribute of Allah swt is for whole humanity irrespective of any religion. But on the day of judgement, we need to fulfill the qualification for entering Jannah. It does n't mean we muslims be care free that we are entitled to Jannah. We enter there only after facing our punishments. Edited by seekshidayath
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

minuteman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1642	Posted: 01 March 2008 at 10:15pm
	Thanks for your response and that of TL24. You have your ideas supported by some Tafseer. I have seen the Tafseer Ibne Katheer. There are varying opinions about the verses, no single opinion. Why are the scholars disagreeing with each other? I saw the Tafseer tafheem ul Quran, chapter 24, about adultry. You also please see it. How Maudoodi sahib has given the view of different sahabis in That Tafseer. Not any one is agreeing with the other about anything. In fact Maudoodi sahib has made a mess of the matter. It is not his fault. He has pointed out that as if it was a fault of the Companions. He has not blamed any one but the way he has given the opinion of the Companions, he has in fact proved that there was no consensus in any matter about the evidence for the Zina. I am reading you happily. Your point is known to me and I have understood your point of view. But i am not convinced that every one is a Kafir. Your explanation of the verse 2:62 is also not right. Allah has given some benefit to the believers, But you want to take it away on some pretext. Also, you have not understood the real meaning of the word Al Raheem. That mercy is for the believers of all faiths. I have explained it quite well in my post. If they are peaceful, they benefit. As I said, I am honestly reading your point of view. But I am not convinced as yet. I still believe that enmity is a must for Kufr. It seems that you do not read my posts properly. I had given good reason for that referring to the verses of the Quran and given some examples of the Abu jehl and the Shaitan. If you want then I will give my proof again about a Kaafir. he is not a simple non-believer. He is a staunch disbeliever bent on enmity to the truth. The peaceful Jews and Christians and any other person, whoever he may be, is not a kaafir. Then you ask me about the non-peaceful Jews and the christians. What right have you to ask for that please? Just understand the thing (answer) yourself. It is not difficult.

Truth_light24 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 13 January 2008 Location: Philippines Status: Offline Points: 270	Posted: 02 March 2008 at 2:05am
	I respect your views Mr Minuteman. My belief is simple and I dont go beyond my limitations. I believe that my One True God is Allah and the last Prophet is Muhammad (PBUH). I believe that Quran is the words of Allah and I hold on to it and so is with the Sunnah of the Propeht (PBUH). I fulfill my duties as best as I can and leave everything in the hands of Allah. "And the (Hell)Fire will be placed in full view of the erring. And it will be said to them: "Where are those (the false gods whom you used to set up as rivals with Allah) that you used to worship?" Quran 26:91-92 "If you join others in worship with Allah, (then) surely, (all) your deeds will be in vain." Quran 39:65 "And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein forever." Quran 2:217 Edited by Truth_light24
	And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. Quran33:59

minuteman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 25 March 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1642	Posted: 02 March 2008 at 6:19am
	Thanks, all very True. I am with you.

poga Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 03 January 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 322	Posted: 02 March 2008 at 8:47am
	is KUFFAR and SHIRK same

Truth_light24 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 13 January 2008 Location: Philippines Status: Offline Points: 270	Posted: 02 March 2008 at 4:34pm
	Poga, The definition of Kufr (Infidelity)is disbelieving in Allah and His Messengers, whether the disbelieve is associated with denial or not, rather with doubts, suspicion, aversion, jealousy, arrogance or following some whims which deters from adhering to the Message. The definition of SHIRK is ascribing a partner to Allah in term of godship and divinity. The common type of shirk is the shirk of divinity, which entails supplicating others along with Allah,or dedicating to them devotional acts such as offerings, vows, reverence, fear, hope and devotional love. Shirk is the gravest sins for it is a gross injustice to ALLAH
	And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. Quran33:59

seekshidayath Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Female Islam Joined: 26 March 2006 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 3357	Posted: 03 March 2008 at 11:22pm
	You know Poga, when we do something intending to show others, instead of Allah swt, then it is also Shirk. Any act of ours if intended to show it to the people around us, like salah, or fastings or any other deed, instead of for the sake of Allah, then it is also a type of shirk we commit. Its a very deep topic to be discussed. By the way, minuteman, as there are no other topics going on, i was reading this again and found that you did not answer my question From where did you get this definition and understanding that enemity is a must for Kufr ? Did you read it anywhere ?
	Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."

Truth_light24 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 13 January 2008 Location: Philippines Status: Offline Points: 270	Posted: 04 March 2008 at 6:32am
	The Prophet said: The thing I fear most that you may commit is the lesser Shirk. They asked: Messenger of Allah what is the lesser Shirk? He said "RIYA". (Ahmad and Tirmidhi) When an act is done in "riya", the reward of such act will be nullified. Riya is define as an act of worship that done not for the sake of Allah but done for the sake of fame. Some do things to gain money such as (being paid for ) calling the adhan , leading salah for money or acquiring religious knowledge, or fighting in the cause of Allah for money. The Prophet also said: "May the slave of dinar be degraded, may the slave of dihram be degraded, may the servant of garment be degraded, may the servant of garden be degraded, for if he is given, he would be satisfied and if he is not be given he is dissatisfied". (Bukhari)
	And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. Quran33:59