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Brother Astroman,
 
As to your question to this topic - Sufi Remote healing?, here is where you should go to.
 
 
Bay'ath thru this website.
 
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Hi Chrysalis,
 
I quote what Ibn Tamiyya said on sufism from the same link above.....
 
Ibn Taymiyya (661 - 728 AH) 
"Tasawwuf has realities and states of experience which they talk about in their science. Some of it is that the Sufi is that one who purifies himself from anything which distracts him from the remembrance of Allah and who will be so filled up with knowledge of the heart and knowledge of the mind to the point that the value of gold and stones will be the same to him. And Tasawwuf is safeguarding the precious meanings
and leaving behind the call to fame and vanity in order to reach the state of Truthfulness, because the best of humans after the prophets are the Siddiqeen, as Allah mentioned them in the verse:
"(And all who obey Allah and the Apostle) are in the company of those on whom is the grace of Allah: of the prophets, the sincere lovers of truth, the martyrs and the righteous; Ah! what a beautiful fellowship." (an-Nisa', 69,70)

"...some people criticised Sufiyya and Tasawwuf and they said they were innovators, out of the Sunnah, but the truth is they are striving in Allah's obedience [mujtahidin fi ta'at-illahi], as others of Allah's People strove in Allah's obedience. So from them you will find the Foremost in Nearness by virtue of his striving [as-saabiq ul-muqarrab bi hasab ijtihadihi]. And some of them are from the People of the Right hand [Ahl al-Yameen mentioned in Qur'an in Sura Waqi'ah], but slower in their progress.... And this is the origin of Tasawwuf. And after that origin, it has been spread and [tasha'abat wa tanawa'at] has its main line and its branches. 
[Majmu'a Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya al-Kubra, Vol. 11, Book of Tasawwuf, p. 497].

"The miracles of saints are absolutely true and correct, by the acceptance of all Muslim scholars. And the Qur'an has pointed to it in different places, and the Hadith of the Prophet (s) has mentioned it, and whoever denies the miraculous power of saints are only people who are innovators and their followers." [al-Mukhtasar al-Fatawa, page 603]. Ibn Taymiyya says, "what is considered as a miracle for a saint is that sometimes the saint might hear something that others do not hear and they might see something that others do not see, while not in a sleeping state, but in a wakened state of vision. And he can know something that others cannot know, through revelation or inspiration." 
[Majmu'a Fatawi Ibn Taymiyya, Vol. 11, p. 314].

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Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:


Assalamualaikum,
 
....................Al-Junaid's assertion actually means that the murid is to be kept ignorant and "pure" enough to occupy himself with dthikr or wird , so that he may join the ranks of those who receive "direct revelation from God," i.e. esoteric knowledge.

Abosait, in regards to the above paragraph, you must have forgotten that Muhammad Rasulullah was An-Nabiyul-Ummi - The Unlettered Prophet. But did his being illiterate made him ignorant?
 

Dear brother/sister Nur_Ilahi,

Wa alaikum assalam wa Rahmatullah.

Please read the following verses from the Qur�an and the translation of their meanings..

 

Al-Kahf [18:110]          

قُلْ إِنَّمَا أَنَا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ يُوحَى إِلَيَّ أَنَّمَا إِلَهُكُمْ إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ فَمَن كَانَ يَرْجُو لِقَاء رَبِّهِ فَلْيَعْمَلْ عَمَلًا صَالِحًا وَلَا يُشْرِكْ بِعِبَادَةِ رَبِّهِ أَحَدًا

 

18:110 Say: "I am but a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your Allah is one Allah. whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner.


 

    Fussilat [41:6]          

قُلْ إِنَّمَا أَنَا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ يُوحَى إِلَيَّ أَنَّمَا إِلَهُكُمْ إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ فَاسْتَقِيمُوا إِلَيْهِ وَاسْتَغْفِرُوهُ وَوَيْلٌ لِّلْمُشْرِكِينَ

 

41:6 Say thou: "I am but a man like you: It is revealed to me by Inspiration, that your Allah is one Allah. so stand true to Him, and ask for His Forgiveness." And woe to those who join gods with Allah,-

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His being unlettered until he recieved inspiration was a clear proof that Qur'an was not fabricated by him but was really the word of Allah and Muhammed Sallallahu alaihi wasallam is His messenger in truth.

You will learn from the above that Mohammed Sallallahu alaihi wasallam received inspiration and revelation.  And such inspiration was revealed to Prophets before him also but he being the last of the messengers Deen has been completed and there will be be no more "direct revelation"

Proof of this is in the following verse. Please read the verse and the translation of its meaning.

 

Al-Ma'idah [5:3]          

حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةُ وَالْدَّمُ وَلَحْمُ الْخِنْزِيرِ وَمَا أُهِلَّ لِغَيْرِ اللّهِ بِهِ وَالْمُنْخَنِقَةُ وَالْمَوْقُوذَةُ وَالْمُتَرَدِّيَةُ وَالنَّطِيحَةُ وَمَا أَكَلَ السَّبُعُ إِلاَّ مَا ذَكَّيْتُمْ وَمَا ذُبِحَ عَلَى النُّصُبِ وَأَن تَسْتَقْسِمُواْ بِالأَزْلاَمِ ذَلِكُمْ فِسْقٌ الْيَوْمَ يَئِسَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِن دِينِكُمْ فَلاَ تَخْشَوْهُمْ وَاخْشَوْنِ الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الإِسْلاَمَ دِينًا فَمَنِ اضْطُرَّ فِي مَخْمَصَةٍ غَيْرَ مُتَجَانِفٍ لِّإِثْمٍ فَإِنَّ اللّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

 

5:3 Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah. that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

 

Thus if anyone claims that he receives direct inspiration from Allah in matters of deen he is a liar.



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Dear Bro Abosait,

As we know there are 3 pillars of Islamic religion.
 
1. The 5 pillars of Islam
2. The 6 pillars of Iman
3. The 2 pillars of Ihsaan.
 
Tasawwuf or sufism is in the last of these, Ihsaan.
 
Perhaps you can elaborate on your idea of Ihsaan.
 
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Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

Dear Bro Abosait,

.............Perhaps you can elaborate on your idea of Ihsaan....................


In Islam, Ihsaan is the Muslim responsibility to obtain perfection, or excellence, in worship, such that Muslims try to worship God (Arabic Allah) as if they see Him, and although they cannot see Him(Due to believing Allah is not made of materials), they undoubtedly believe he is constantly watching over them.

That definition comes from the hadith (known as the Hadith of Angel Gabriel ) in which Muhammad Sallallahu alaihi wasallam states,

"[Ihsaan is] to worship God as though you see Him, and if you cannot see Him, then indeed He sees you." (Al-Bukhari and Al-Muslim).




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Alhamdulillah.

You are definitely correct Bro Abosait. I do not think I am able to give a better explanation than yours is.

" Ihsaan is the Muslim responsibility to obtain perfection, or excellence, in worship, such that Muslims try to worship God (Arabic Allah) as if they see Him,"

as if they see Him - This is the state that Muhammad salallahualaihiwassalam, Ali Karamullahiwajhah, the Companions and all the Sufi Masters like Syed Abdul Qadir Jailani, Ar-Rumi, Al-Hallaj and many other waliyullahs had experienced. They had reached a state of perfection or excellence in worship which is not impossible, however difficult it is. When they worship Allah, they are oblivious of everything else, like the state of Ali when he was praying, not feeling any pain whatsoever when the other Sahabahs pulled out the arrow.

Shariah is only the outer layer of Islam, while the inner side or the spiritual side, only Tasawwuf can fill in. Shariah can teach us the adab or perfection in our action for example in solah. One has to try to pronounce perfectly the words in Arabic, so as not to change the meaning of the words if we prounounce it wrongly. We are taught to ensure that our attire and the place of our worship should always be clean. The position or action must follow exactly how it was done by Rasulullah but does Shariah taught us to be perfect in our mind, our soul like Rasulullah during our prayers? How many times in our prayers we sometimes think of something else, like - why is my husband or my children not back yet, or perhaps you can smell the cooking of your wife in the kitchen and you saying - oh, she must be cooking the chicken briyani - when at the same time you are uttering the word Allahuakbar in your prayers?

In tasawwuf, this is considered insincere. it is like talking to me yet your eyes were wondering some where else looking at other than me.

This is what Tasawwuf is all about. The perfection in us are there. The possibilities and potentials of perfection or excellence in worship are already in each and everyone of us. It us who should be finding it ourselves.

I quote from http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/seven_levels.htm

There is no question that complete potential for perfection is contained within every human being, because Allah Most High has placed His own Divine Secrets in the essence of man, in order to bring from unknown realms into evidence His Beautiful Names and Attributes.  But we have forgotten the perfection placed in us before we arrived in the world clad in flesh and bone. Our physical being and its attachment to the world in which it lives, covers and leaves in darkness the beauty and wisdom hidden within us, has made us forget our origin, and left us in a state of ignorance.

and although they cannot see Him(Due to believing Allah is not made of materials), they undoubtedly believe he is constantly watching over them.
That definition comes from the hadith (known as the Hadith of Angel Gabriel ) in which Muhammad Sallallahu alaihi wasallam states,
"[Ihsaan is] to worship God as though you see Him, and if you cannot see Him, then indeed He sees you." (
Al-Bukhari and Al-Muslim).

Bro Abosait,

This second part of Ihsaan is to believe that Allah is constantly watching us. In other words, whether we sleep, eat or drink, we are never away from Allah's observance. Allah never forgets us, it us human who forget Him. A humble servant of Allah who knows this will always reciprocate by remembering Him in his everyday life by constant Zikrullah. A servant of Allah who understand this second part of ihsaan, will never ever dare to tell lies, to steal, to gossip, to fornicate, to be proud, angry, cheat or any of the blemishes of the heart that is in this link http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/blemishes_of_nafs.htm 

If you read stories about Sufis, you will find out that every single cell in their body is worshipping The Lord of the Whole Universe, in constant zikrullah, because they really understand this second part of Ihsaan.

Till next time,

Salam.

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Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:


...............I do not think I am able to give a better explanation than yours is.........................



I also wrote:

That definition comes from the hadith (known as the Hadith of Angel Gabriel ) in which Muhammad Sallallahu alaihi wasallam states, "[Ihsaan is] to worship God as though you see Him, and if you cannot see Him, then indeed He sees you." (Al-Bukhari and Al-Muslim).

Please click on
Hadith of Angel Gabriel  to read the Hadith from an authentic Book of Hadith.

From your post it appears that you have not bothered to read the Hadith.

So here is a copy of the translation in English:

Hadith #2

Also on the authority of Omar, who said :

One day while we were sitting with the messenger of Allah there appeared before us a man whose clothes were exceedingly white and whose hair was exceedingly black; no signs of journeying were to be seen on him and none of us knew him.

He walked up and sat down by the prophet. Resting his knees against his and placing the palms of his hands on his thighs, he said:

"O Muhammed, tell me about Islam".

The messenger of Allah said:

"Islam is

  • to testify that there is no god but Allah and Muhammed is the messenger of Allah,
  • to perform the prayers,
  • to pay the zakat,
  • to fast in Ramadhan, and
  • to make the pilgrimage to the House if you are able to do so."

He said:

"You have spoken rightly",

and we were amazed at him asking him and saying that he had spoken rightly. He said:

"Then tell me about eman."

He said:

"It is to believe in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day, and to believe in divine destiny, both the good and the evil thereof."

He said:

"You have spoken rightly".

He said:

" Then tell me about ehsan."

He said:

"It is to worship Allah as though you are seeing Him, and while you see Him not yet truly He sees you".

He said:

"Then tell me about the Hour".

He said:

"The one questioned about it knows no better than the questioner."

He said:

"Then tell me about its signs."

He said:

"That the slave-girl will give birth to her mistress and that you will see the barefooted, naked, destitute herdsman competing in constructing lofty buildings."

Then he took himself off and I stayed for a time. Then he said:

"O Omar, do you know who the questioner was?" I said: "Allah and His messenger know best".

He said:

"He was Jebreel (Gabriel), who came to you to teach you your religion."

narrated by Muslim

Thus you see that
Jebreel (Gabriel), came to the Prophet to teach him and those present, the religion of Islam.  If there was any provision for any man made concepts like tasawwuf or Sufism in deen, Allah and His messenger would have told us. On the contrary we have been given the complete deen in the form of Qur'aan and Sunnah leaving no room for any addition or subtraction in the name of perfection.
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Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:



I visited that web page which you have recomended and found the following statement:

".....................good adab which is the greater part of Islam and of Sufism............"

I suppose you fail to notice that the authour clearly considers Islam and Sufism as two different beliefs and sites some 68 points commonly desisted by the followers of these two groups.

As I told you earlier, a Hindu or a Sikh or a Sufi might  be doing some good deeds  which have been  made compulsory in Islam but that does not entitle you to call  the great Islamic scholars  by names other than the name Muslim.


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