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Originally posted by Sis Ummah Sis Ummah wrote:

I think the main taboo here is that this is an educated African-American Muslim Woman.  The things being hated most are the African-Woman-American.

I think most  of us (at least my self) did not know that Dr. Wadud is African American woman, we knew it after Rami posted her photos. Even before Rami's post, there have been many many posts in this forum and in IslamiCity article's page, so your claim that the denial due to the fact that she is African American woman is not valid at all.



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Salam/Peace,

Semar

"We are people who do not eat until we are hungry and do not eat to our fill." (Prophet Muhammad PBUH)

"1/3 of your stomach for food, 1/3 for water, 1/3 for air"
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote abuayisha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 March 2005 at 11:10am
Sister Ummah, the fiqh of what Dr. Wadud argues is one matter and black nationalism/immigrant racism is totally another discussion. Your attempt at combining them is nonsense.
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Your attempt at the denial of it all is nonsense.  There has been a constant denial at the way that racism has divided this Ummah.  The lack of respect towards this sister INDEED has to do with the fact that she is BOTH a woman and African-American.  Your attempt to deny that reality is baseless.
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Es_Selam'un Aleykum...

 First of all,i see that we have more friends in the board then before,this should be an barakah.I welcome to you all...

 Coming to the issue,i have short words to tell...a person should know what she believes;also a person should know what she does not believe.I call persons for choosing their ways;please!,if you want to be an khafir or if you don't believe this religion then be brave and be full khafir,be brave khafirs...also i call muslims for knowing what we believe in the name of Allah.If we want to be a muslim;then we should be the full muslims...please select the way,black or white?;no place to grey like her face....



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Originally posted by Suleyman Suleyman wrote:

If we want to be a muslim;then we should be the full muslims...please select the way,black or white?;no place to grey like her face....

What do you mean by "Grey like her face.."  Are you an racist and from Turkey at that?

In psychological terms, people who only think in terms of black or white and can not agree to disagree or see grey, are people who have mental problems.  That is just plain what it is...a mental problem.  You practice how you want to and you should let others practice how they want and learn to be TOLERANT.  It is the extremists who are hurting this religion, but more than that, it is the INTOLERANT people who are hurting the religion the most.

Learn diversity of thought.  And more than tolerance, learn ACCEPTANCE!!!!!

 

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salam

this reply is for Sarah eltantawi,,u stated "I demand to know where the Muslim women's League stands on this issue. I demand to know where the Muslim Public Affairs Council, and the Council on American-Islamic Relations stands on this issue. I demand to know where ISNA stands on this issue."

  U know exactly where everyone stands,,u know exactly what most muslims think, but u do not care,,so why are u demanding to know? its not like ur gonna stop what u r doing if they disagree with u.

U have no clue about islam,,why dont u make up ur own religion and leave islam? since u dont wanna be part of it anyway? why bother calling urself a muslim? call urself progressives of america.  Stop identifying urself with us muslims. U  have no respect for quran or the holy prophet and his traditions..so u are an apostate and so is ur fake imam Amina Wadud. I do not think ur prayers behind her will be accepted,but Allah knows best.

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Sis Ummah-

Brother Amir Abdel-Malik of Northern California Area  (African American Muslim) once gave a speech in which he stated that some of the women of america,  dealt with the sexism in our society and the abuse of women as sexual objects, by doing the exact same thing...making men sexual objects and thought that womens liberation was going to Chippendales male strip clubs, and having magazines like playgirl.

He said that:

African-Americans did the same with the creation of the Nation of Islam--by reacting to the God is white non--sence and saying white men are superior---african americans response in the Nation-was to say that God was black, and that whites were the Devil.

In my opinion-Sister Wadud has-"overcompensated" for the real problems that face the Uummah in terms of gender discrimination, and went Overboard. 

 

Racism is another issue and please dont use the "race card" here.

AA-

 

 

 

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Originally posted by ibn muslim ibn muslim wrote:

In my opinion-Sister Wadud has-"overcompensated" for the real problems that face the Uummah in terms of gender discrimination, and went Overboard. 

Racism is another issue and please dont use the "race card" here.

AA-

So our you now "overcompensating" for the real problem of race in the Ummah by denying it here and using the term "race card?"

Gender and racism is the problem here.  But the biggest problem is DENIAL.

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