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AhmadJoyia 
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 Posted: 15 April 2005 at 6:35am |
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How come an supposedly ugly looking serpent (demon?) could be able to decieve them? Why would anyone take a literal meaning of it just to distinguish between a satan and a serpent or a demon for that matter? However, with your explanation, then could serpent be another super-natural entity like angels, satan, or demon in Judaism?
So, from where this law of Noa comes in other than "the five books of Moses"? and why this law has precedence over the books of moses? I mean to say if law of Noa came before Moses, then the old law is automatically obsolete becuase of the new law (assuming the new law overrides the old). But if Noa came after Moses, then why would you only believe in him and not the other prophet who came in the line till Jesus or for that matter till Mohammad.
What is your belief about awaited Messiah? Is it from books of Moses or from law of Noa or from any other source? I am trying to collect from some of your earlier postings that Jews should not be in that land of Palestine, in the first place. Rather they should wait for the prophesied Messiah and only come through his commands (not exactly but words to that effect). Where is this prophesy (book) and by whom?
Provided we believe that these writings are from authentic sources. Isn't it? But what happens when we do come to know that they are not from the authentic sources? Should we continue in the conundrum of conjectures? |
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Daniel Dworsky
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Posted: 16 April 2005 at 10:20am |
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At this point in my life I think it's all about kindness, tolerance and
generous compromise tempered with reasonable humility. I mean if you only look after yourself everyone hates you. If you give a beggar your only belt your pants fall down. Snakes demons or Satan it's all the same symbol. Innocence vs the world. We all have the basics from our seperate religions on how to get along. We need to compare notes like what we are doing here and figure out how not to hurt each other. I apply the bible metaphorically to my life. The best I manage is a B+ on the Ten Commandments 9 out of 10. My best work day is on the sabbath. I make money and then I make excuses. God didn't intend me to have an overdraft... I admit that I have experienced miracles before my very own eyes. They are not the topic of everyday conversation even with myself because they challenge my fix on reality. Conundrum of conjectures? Perhaps. Who knows the truth? I don't. What feels right isn't always what feels good. I don't believe most of what I read. I have great faith in people who also think for them selves as well as having faith in Allah. I worry that while we fuss over the details of our seperate faiths we exclude each other from solving bigger problems that our children and our children's children will inherit. Edited by Daniel Dworsky |
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herjihad
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Posted: 18 April 2005 at 6:05am |
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Bismillah, Thank you for sharing your miracles, Daniel. I'll look at all the bees around my house differently now. (But I'm still thinking of buying poison because my little boy swells up with a sting. Not fatally, but it's a sight!) I agree with your comparison of our faith comment. (How do you people quote those things? Anyway, you know.) It was in my view a huge reason why I come to this discussion board. (Increasing my faith, patience and good will are others. That's why I leave sometimes, for lack of getting those things.) Conundrum of conjectures and hardwired hardliners. Great sounding stuff! Very alliterative. Why is it conjecture Ahmad? I don't believe in many things literally, but I am a muslimah. Are you asking Daniel's opinion? Because the stated facts that are literal can be found in books in the library. If someone asks my opinion, which suprisingly enough once in a while they do, I say I believe that good people go to heaven, and that heaven as described in the Quran is for unimaginative people who needed something concrete to hold onto. I wouldn't have anything to look forward to if I took the Quran's description of heaven literally. (Please remember that even though I am different than you, I deserve respect.) I trust Allah, SWT, to provide a lovely heaven for me, and I don't worry about the details. I follow the five pillars, even though I can't imagine being able to get to Mecca. Maybe when my sons are old enough to take me. |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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AhmadJoyia
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Posted: 18 April 2005 at 7:21am |
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Dear Sis Herjihad, I was simply commenting upon the unknown authorship of present day bible as Daniel do seem to admit this fact. All they have is a second (who knows may be third, fourth or....) hand manuscript whose authenticity can't be verified. No one knows what is original and what has been added in it by the human hand. So all the best they can do is use conjectures to recognise God. Therefore, though Quran doesn't compel them (and ask them to follow the word of God that had been sent to them for their right guidance) but recommends them to leave conjectures and follow the straight path which is without conjectures. Other than this, I had no other implied meanings to the conjectures and in no way used them to humiliate anyone's faith. Rest Allah knows the best. May Allah guide all of us to the right path. Amen. |
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Daniel Dworsky
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Posted: 18 April 2005 at 2:03pm |
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Dear Cousin Herjihad, Bee Allergies are dangerous. If you can't Keep some sort of Beta blocker like Arbuterol spray around the house A good strong cup of coffee will aid a swollen throat by purging water from the smooth muscles there. In case you are caught away from a hospital always have in your car two packets of instant coffee a water bottle two aspirin and anti- hystamin. 1. Do not remove the stinger by pinching more venom into the skin Use two hands one to pinch the skin up and roll between your thumb and fingers. with the other hand or tweezers guide the stinger out. 2.Apply a crushed aspirin directly to the puncture. 3. Have her/him Drink water and take an antihystamine. 4. For a child have sweet strong coffee handy if s/he starts to wheeze. |
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Daniel Dworsky
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Posted: 20 April 2005 at 10:39am |
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AhmadJoya,
Sister Herjihad hit it pretty much on the head. The Bible is believed by many religious Jewish scholars to be true but sort of in code. The world was created 5000 years ago in the space of a week? Well who's to say how long a day was then? Newtonian physics has since made way for new laws of nature where time is not a constant. This is giving me a head ache too. We are all going to find out in the end... or not. You just go on with your life doing Tikun Olam (fixing the universe) or Sakaat (the Joyful giving) and enjoying this beautiful world in which Allah has allowed us to be. |
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AhmadJoyia
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Posted: 21 April 2005 at 11:38am |
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Well, Daniel, I think there is a difference between being "some true" and being "all true". The point being made was that no one knows in the OT as to what is true from God and what is true from human hand. Trying to sifting out from this mixture of the two is where conjectures come in. Though someone may still recognize God through this book, but that would solely be based on conjectures. On the other hand, the same God can also be recognised through Quran, but then it is not based on conjectures but on sound evidence. The choice is open and clear. However, whatever the way, I pray that may Allah help us all to recognise Him all the way. Amen.
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Daniel Dworsky
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Posted: 21 April 2005 at 1:43pm |
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This is why when two jews get together you end up with three different arguments. |
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