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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ron Webb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 August 2014 at 8:44am
Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:

Nobody gave them authority to do what they are doing.

Agreed, but who ought to give authority to a caliph?  You asked earlier how Western democracy is a good thing.  Surely a democratic election is the only way for a leader to gain legitimacy.  How else can a leader be chosen fairly, if not by a majority decision?


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Abu Loren Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 August 2014 at 2:39pm
Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:



Agreed, but who ought to give authority to a caliph?� You asked earlier how Western democracy is a good thing.� Surely a democratic election is the only way for a leader to gain legitimacy.� How else can a leader be chosen fairly, if not by a majority decision?



The Ulema of Islam will choose the Caliph whom they think are worthy. He has to be a Sheikh who is well versed in the Qur'an and Sunnah and of course the Sharia.

We can't go around all the Muslim countries and elect a Caliph as this would be impossible.

I think something similar to the Roman Catholics in how they elect the Pope would be a good idea.
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Why are people going to join ISIS?
The yazidi people are evil?  What, in history, have they ever done to anyone?
The evil here is ISIS.  Is that not readily clear to see?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marcello Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 August 2014 at 3:23pm
Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:

The Ulema of Islam will choose the Caliph whom they think are worthy.


It appears that you are living in some sort of dream world.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Abu Loren Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 August 2014 at 11:45am
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It appears that you are living in some sort of dream world.


Yes indeed, until the Muslims sort themselves out.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ron Webb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 August 2014 at 1:53pm
Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:

The Ulema of Islam will choose the Caliph whom they think are worthy.

And who will choose the Ulema?  Will they be Shia?  Sunni?  Sufi?  Ahmaddiya?  Who decides?

Quote We can't go around all the Muslim countries and elect a Caliph as this would be impossible.

Why not?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Abu Loren Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 August 2014 at 2:15pm
Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

And who will choose the Ulema?� Will they be Shia?� Sunni?� Sufi?� Ahmaddiya?� Who decides?


The Shi'a have their own leader. Sufi's are Sunni's.

BTW the Sunni Muslims consider the Shi'a and the Ahmaddiya's to be not Muslims.

The Ulema are the scholars of Islam.

You don't know know anything about Islam do you?

We can't go around all the Muslim countries and elect a Caliph as this would be impossible.[/QUOTE]Why not?
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Well your average Muslim on the street will accept whoever is elected. No need for elections in Muslim majority countries.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ron Webb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 August 2014 at 10:49am
Originally posted by Abu Loren Abu Loren wrote:

The Shi'a have their own leader. Sufi's are Sunni's.
BTW the Sunni Muslims consider the Shi'a and the Ahmaddiya's to be not Muslims.
The Ulema are the scholars of Islam.
You don't know know anything about Islam do you?

I know all of that, which is why I asked the question.  Will only Sunnis choose the Ulema?  Or Sunni plus Shia?  Would you exclude westernized secular Muslims?  And on whose authority would you exclude the Ahmaddiya?  I have seen others on this board (or was it you?) claiming that Sufis are not "real" Muslims either.  Who decides?

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Why not?
Well your average Muslim on the street will accept whoever is elected. No need for elections in Muslim majority countries.

How do you even know for sure that it's a Muslim majority country if you don't have an election, or at least some sort of poll?  I suspect a sizable number of nominal Muslims are simply too afraid to admit publicly that they don't believe.
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