Gabriel: "Read" or "Recite?" |
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BMZ
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Wa Alaikum Assalaam, Mishmish. That is correct and people should understand that easily. BR BMZ |
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Cyril
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The word "ummiyy" which is used in the Quran to mean unlettered also means "who has not received a Scriptures from God".
Some scholars believe the second meaning is the right one in the Quran. At the time of the Prophet Arabs used a very clumsy system of writing which was difficult to read. Besides they did not have paper and pens as we have. So the art of reading and writing was taken up by scribes. No important or affluent person would write by himself but would have secretaries do it. |
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BMZ
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Cyril, Greetings & Welcome! Yes, you are right. It also means those people who were not given a book or those who had not received any revelations or scriptures from God Almighty before. The Prophet, the Meccans and Arabs were thus Ummees. This time, the message and revelations were not given to those who already had the books but they were given to an entirely new people who received them for the first time and have since faithfully kept it intact. Best Reagrds & Salaams BMZ |
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George
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Mishmish, This is the first time I've heard of the ring. Do you know if any of the documents that have the imprint of Muhammad's ring still exist? |
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George
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Cyril, I think the explanation of the meaning of the word ummiyy makes the most sense. It doesn't necessarily mean that Muhammad was illiterate. I have read that a common interpretation of the expression an-nabiyyal-ummi is "the Gentile Prophet." Edited by George |
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George
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Another thing that bothers me about this story is the reaction of Muhammad when encountered by the angel. He is severely afraid and distressed. When I compare his encounter with Mary and Joseph's encounter with Gabriel I see a distinct difference. They are not afraid.
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herjihad
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Bismillah, As brother Bmz pointed out here, many languages are differently structured, so we have to think of what the speakers of this particular language intended rather than try to do word-for-word translations and get the incorrect meanings from proceeding in that course. These quotes refer to a way of speech that denotes many things. For example, the marriage contract of an illiterate man's daughter is signed in reality. Then the dad will say: Katabna alkitab, meaning literally: We wrote the contract, but in actuality since everyone around him knows he is illiterate it means: We executed the marriage contract and someone else wrote it down. |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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BMZ
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George, From you:"Another thing that bothers me about this story is the reaction of Muhammad when encountered by the angel. He is severely afraid and distressed. When I compare his encounter with Mary and Joseph's encounter with Gabriel I see a distinct difference. They are not afraid." Grieve and worry not, George. Forget the story. There are plenty of stories floating around. Here is what God Almighty says in Qur'aan, Surah 53 Al-Najm Verses 1-17(Just a very, very simple translation for you): "When the star sets. Neither your fellow-man thought something was wrong nor was he deluded. And he does not just speak out on his own. He speaks only what has been revealed to him. Taught by the mighty knowledgeable Gabriel, an angel full of power, who showed himself to him by appearing over the higher part of horizon and came nearer and nearer till he was very close to him. And then God revealed to his servant what God wished to reveal. His heart did not disbelieve what he saw. Will you then doubt on what he saw? Indeed he saw the angel in his true form a second time at the farthest point of his ascension, near the Garden of promise and saw the Garden Tree covered in splendour and his eyes did not waver nor did they oggle. Truly he saw the greatest signs of his Lord." What does the above tell me and the Muslims? It tells us that Muhammad was in all senses, his eyes were open and looking. He saw the angel clearly as he came gradually very close to him. Then he saw the greatest signs of the Lord and yet his eyes never faultered for he knew what he was seeing. After reading the above, you, me and others do not have to believe in stories written by men. Qur'aan clearly tells us that Muhammad never felt sick or delusional, etc. Hope this helped. I cannot do the tafseer for this as it will run into pages and pages which is true, quote form Qur'aan: "If all the oceans were ink to write the words of my Lord, the oceans would be consumed as ink before the words of My Lord could complete and not enough, even if more oceans were brought in and added." Note: fellow-man refers to Muhammad.
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