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AbRah2006
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Posted: 23 May 2006 at 6:25am |
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Angela, thanks for that link to that site. That was pretty interesting. One question, it appears that Jesus didn't die from that site. Also, appears that Jesus has a big part to play in end-time events according to Islam.
All this taken into consideration, it seems that that site makes Jesus seem far more important than the founder of Islam. Also, Jesus is said to be still alive, whereas Mohammed is dead, right? Seem strange.
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My response:
Quran says:
003.052 When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) God?" Said the disciples: "We are God's helpers: We believe in God, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.
003.053 "Our Lord! we believe in what Thou hast revealed, and we follow the Apostle; then write us down among those who bear witness."
003.054 And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and God too planned, and the best of planners is God.
003.055 Behold! God said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
003.056 "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
003.057 "As to those who believe and work righteousness, God will pay them (in full) their reward; but God loveth not those who do wrong."
The prophets of Allah such as Adam, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, Muhammad etc are dead.
Muhammad who is the last messenger of God is dead because he had completed the teachings of God so there will be no more prophets of God after Muhammad.
The Prophet's mission, however, is universal. Allah (S.W.T.) (Subhanahu wa ta�ala, meaning: the Exalted, Most Glorious) tells mankind that Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s.) is no more than a Messenger (Qur�an 3: 144), the unlettered Prophet who believes in Him and His Words (Qur�an 7: 158). He is the Seal of the Prophets and the true universal Messenger of All�h to the whole mankind (Qur�an 33: 40). Allah (S.W.T.), the All-Mighty, makes this very clear:
"We have not sent you (O Muhammad) but as a universal (Messenger) to men giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin) but most men understand not." (Qur�n 34: 28)
The Messenger (s.a.w.s.) possesses an exalted (standard of) character (Qur�an 68:4) and an excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah (S.W.T.) and the Final Day, and who remembers Allah (S.W.T.) much (Qur�an 33: 21). Allah (S.W.T.) endowed him with exalted standard of character for us to follow. Every aspect of his life has been fully dealt with, providing complete guidance to the whole mankind. For our guidance, Allah (S.W.T.), the All-Mighty commands us to believe and obey His Messenger (s.a.w.s.):
"Say (O Muhammad to mankind): �If you (really) love All�h then follow me (i.e. accept Isl�mic Monotheism, follow the Qur��n and the Sunnah), All�h will love you and forgive you your sins. And All�h is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.� Say (O Muhammad): �Obey All�h and the Messenger (Muhammad).� But if they turn away, then All�h does not like the disbelievers." (Qur�an 3: 31)
"O mankind! Verily, there has come to you the Messenger (Muhammad) with the truth from your Rabb (Sustainer). So believe in him, it is better for you. But if you disbelieve, then certainly to All�h belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth. And All�h is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise." (Qur�n 4: 170)
"O you who believe! Obey All�h, and obey the Messenger (Muhammad) and render not vain your deeds." (Qur�n 47: 33)
It is a must that we obey Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s.). Allah (S.W.T.) tells us that he who obeys His Messenger (s.a.w.s.) obeys Him:
"He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad) has indeed obeyed All�h, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you (Muhammad) as a watcher over them." (Qur�n 4: 80)
Allah (S.W.T.) sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth to make it prevail over all religions. He (I) says:
"It is He (Allah) Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth that he may proclaim it over all religion even though the Pagans may detest (it)." (Qur�n 61: 9)
Why is Jesus still alive? Jesus will come to this world to tell the Christians that Christianity is wrong for slandering Jesus and God. He will refute the false claims that Jesus is the son of God, Jesus is God and to refute the Trinity. He will say that Islam is the truth of God. Jesus will bear witness against his people.
The final scripture, the Qur�aan, clarifies the issue of worshipping or not worshipping Jesus, by quoting a conversation which will take place between Jesus and God on the Day of Judgement:
'And behold! God will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden." '(Quran 5:119)
Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allaah) did command me to say: �Worship Allaah, my Lord and your Lord.� And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things��[al-Maa'idah 5:117]
And when Jesus perceived their unbelief, he said, 'who will be my helpers in the cause of God? The Apostles said, 'we will be helpers of God.' We believe in God; be witness of our submission. Lord, we believe in that you have sent down, and we follow the Messenger. Inscribe us therefore with those who bear witness.' And they devised, and God devised, and God is the best of devisers. When God said, 'Jesus, I will take you to me and will raise you to Me, and I will purify you of those who do not believe. I will set your followers above the unbelievers till the Resurrection Day. Then unto Me shall you return, and I will decide between you, as to what you were at variance on. As for the unbelievers, I will punish them with a terrible punishment in this world and the next; they shall have no helpers.' (Quran 3:52-6)And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty calumny, and for their saying, �We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God'... yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they have no knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they did not slay him of certainty... no indeed; God raised him up to Him; God is Almighty, All-wise. There is not one of the people of the Book but will assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them. (Quran 4:156-9).
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God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)
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fredifreeloader
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Posted: 23 May 2006 at 6:29am |
"Jesus will bear witness against his people."
so we are his people? - its good that you recognise at least that much, abrah
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for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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fredifreeloader
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Posted: 23 May 2006 at 6:30am |
oh for goodness sake, bmz, give it time, ive only just changed it
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for i am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth - romans 1: 16
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BMZ
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Posted: 23 May 2006 at 7:22am |
Ok, I am prepared to suffer for one month!
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George
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Posted: 23 May 2006 at 8:02am |
Mishmish wrote:
"All this taken into consideration, it seems that that site makes Jesus seem far more important than the founder of Islam. Also, Jesus is said to be still alive, whereas Mohammed is dead, right? "
Well, since we believe GOD founded Islam, we Muslims would say that it is a blasphemy to make Jesus more important than God. To Christians though, that doesn't seem to be a problem, so feel free....
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We Christians believe that God founded Christianity too, through Jesus.
It is merely a comparison between your prophet and our prophet--Muhammad and Jesus.
If Jesus is coming again and Muhammad isn't that can be interpreted that God put special emphasis on Jesus, whereas He did not with Muhammad.
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George
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Posted: 23 May 2006 at 8:04am |
Mishmish wrote:
"Yes, God does not care what we eat. He is concerned with our health, of course. Back in the OT there were no refrigerators."
So, are you saying Jesus created the first refrigerator and that's why Paul said God said you can eat pork? Well, Paul had a dream that God said, you know the story.
I must have missed that verse in the NT...
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By Jesus' teachings you can readily see that he accepted the Gentiles as they were, including what they ate.
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George
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Posted: 23 May 2006 at 8:06am |
Yankovich wrote:
George, Yeah I'd agree with that thing about circumcision - since it was a sign of the Old Covenant, not the New. Christians do not need to be circumcised ceremonially - in fact Paul counsels against it. |
Yankovich,
A Muslim once told me that they had to be circumcised in order to "get in on the covenant."
What is your opinion about that?
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George
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Posted: 23 May 2006 at 8:09am |
BMZ,
Jesus fulfilled the law. It is still on the books, just as it is, but Jesus fulfilled parts of it. We are still to follow the ten commandments.
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