Muslim women badly treated.

My Sis Sandra,

May I like to add something to your question, that may help to understand the picture you have in your mind, a little more clear than before. Yes, your observation of "honor killing" is a not just a fact, but a known fact. But what is wrong with this fact is to make it exclusively for Muslim countries only. What about your research on non-Islamic ones (but yet poor countries)? Have you done any over there? My point in raising this point is not to divert from this problem from Muslim countries, but to highlight its general occurance irrespective of religion or faith. For example, in your own words the example of jordanian Catholic family has nothing to do with Islam nor with Islamic law at all, but yet it happened in that family because of their common culture of that country. "They are not even muslims, this actual family was Catholic living in Jordan, and whilst you live in Jordan, Muslim or not you have to go buy Jordanian rules." So members of this Catholic family was involved in honor killing is a classical example of being culture based than faith based. Also, I noticed some wrong terminology being used to make this phenomenon more of a faith based than culture or nation based. Here is your quote "......So therefore most women, Islamic women were and are still constricted.  Why im reading that this is not the Islamic way, when even you are saying that its slowly changing......" First of all, there is no term like "Islamic women". If you mean any women who believes in Islam, then she is called Muslim women and not Islamic women. So when we call Muslim men or Muslim women, we mean the actions of the people who practice Islam but not necessarily according to the doctrine of Islam. For example, those who are held in the jails of Islamic countries, many of them must be Muslims done some very henious crimes, but yet they are Muslims too. The important question is if this act as what they have done is according to Islamic doctrine or not? I hope this shall clarify some of your perception.

Yet another dimension to this barbaric practice is to see as what Quran tells us about how to deal with such cases.  Here is one of the references from Quran to let you begin your own search on the subject "024.004 YUSUFALI: And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;- "

First of all this verse clearly asks the accuser to produce  4 witnesses for his allegation and in the absence of which he himself must be punished "flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors"

Secondly, these witnesses or accusers have no justification of taking the law in their own hand. All matters (in a civilized Muslim society) must be handled through the established system of law and justice. I hope this shall provide you clear invitation to read the Quran yourself than merely listening to media. Indeed, Allah knows the best.

 

If you are still not convinced. This piece of information links directly to Jordan and Honor killings.
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Take a look at that and tell me what you think. Sandra you may be interested in these sites that I am posting also.

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Try this. I am new to this forum and still working it out.

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HardStudy wrote: Don't get me wrong sandra, it's not just muslims. There are many religions that have violents and people do tend to pick on the muslims more than any religion. However, for people in here to say that honor killings are not driven by islamic people are just silly. It takes nothing to go down the street and buy a heap of books from women like that Norah or whatever her name is that you speak about. Here in Australia domestic violence is indeed an issue like anywhere. However, in my studies I have never found it legal to kill your wife because she misrepresented her husbands name. It's rediculous. And although it was covered from the western civilized worlds eyes for many years, it is more and more becoming apparent that Jordanian men are not following their changing laws and their women are not defying them. I wouldn't defy them either with the threat of being stabbed 5 times in the chest.

Yes many horrific violence are in western wolds all over europe also, but most muslims dont want to have to face the fact that this goes on in Islamic countires, i can see why, because they will be threatened by it, so they tend to look past it.  But its time they look beyond this point and if they do they may save another Islamic women from being killed by a extremist Islamic male.  No body wants to believe that what they are following is commiting such horrific crimes, as the christians there are sick preists that have commited abuse to children, and christans have to accept that even tho this goes on they cant say it does not, because it does, as i get to the point again about Islamic countries, they dont want to believe it and brush it aside.