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   Because Nausheen we see life present at conception and that is the life worth preserving. It is dangerous to start implying when a human has a soul and I think it's obvious why. All over the world there is this problem of preserving innocent life and I have yet to see Muslims take a huge stand on it. In Holland for example now children who are born with major handicaps are being executed by euthenasia with the consent of their parents. 

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MayPB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 21 July 2005 Status: Offline Points: 75	Post Options Post Reply Quote MayPB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2006 at 8:48am
	Because Nausheen we see life present at conception and that is the life worth preserving. It is dangerous to start implying when a human has a soul and I think it's obvious why. All over the world there is this problem of preserving innocent life and I have yet to see Muslims take a huge stand on it. In Holland for example now children who are born with major handicaps are being executed by euthenasia with the consent of their parents.

Angela Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 11 July 2005 Status: Offline Points: 2555	Post Options Post Reply Quote Angela Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2006 at 9:20am
	Nausheen, Its because the arguements over abortion here in the United States hold the "when is a child a child" argument. When is life created, conception, after the first trimester, or at birth? I thank you and Rami for posting the FULL narratives so that I can read them. I do not have access to this literature or even know its out there many times. The reason I fight so hard is because the Pro Choice movement try very hard to define life at birth and not protect it when its in its most vulnerable state. Telling them there's no soul until 120 days, they would use that as an argument for why its okay to have an abortion up to that point. I personally do not feel we have a choice. I would not consider death a choice for the mother, if there is no alternative, there is no alternative. That's not a choice, it has to happen. I guess my fear was that Rami was saying it was okay, as long as the Ruh wasn't there yet. That upset me to no end. When creation is denied to a woman, like it has been to me, then we tend to get a little more vicious in protecting it in others. Sorry if I offended, but for me, a woman who has an abortion when there are other options like adoption....then that's murder. Edited by Angela

herjihad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 26 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2473	Post Options Post Reply Quote herjihad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2006 at 6:48pm
	*Bismillah,* I am thinking of the Saudi girl who was raped by her brother's friend and then after she had the baby, she was dragged out of the hospital and murdered. They said she enticed him to do it. I read this here on IC. I would rather have had this girl: Escape to a safe place to have the baby secretly, or if that couldn't be done, abort it as early after the pregnancy was known as possible. Many people have tough situations like this one, and I am not in their shoes. Who will take care of her baby? The wonderful family that so irresponsibly didn't protect her, their own child? *This situation resulted in the death of the mother, although it wasn't medical, rather societal. Thank God many women are not faced with their own deaths because of Roe v Wade.*
	Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.

MayPB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 21 July 2005 Status: Offline Points: 75	Post Options Post Reply Quote MayPB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2006 at 8:11pm
	LOL So you think that before women in Saudi Arabia are allowed to vote, drive and be escorted without her husband or father she will be able to talk the Royal Family of upholding the United States' "Roe vs. Wade" law.????!!!!!!!!!! Like I said before it is so rare that women in the United States are faced with a societal dilema as you described that it is socially irresponsible for us to let abortion be legal for everyone else. The majority of abortions are not necessary and more over, they are repeat abortions.

rami Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Male Joined: 01 March 2000 Status: Offline Points: 2549	Post Options Post Reply Quote rami Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2006 at 9:18pm
	Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem Angela go back to my oroginal post and click on the Blue highlighted writting they are links to the original fatwah not simply writing which is highlighted in blue and underlined so it stands out May i dont know what you are talking about in America abortion is an option for women if they choose it, so for a muslim to follow what there religion says is well within American laws, please dont throw out there generalised statments espetialy regarding Islamic law when non muslims simply treat them as they would any other law, they do not understand them and there nature so they have no right to comment on them in such a manner. If you are a muslims by some chance i sugest learning more about what shariah law is from reliable traditional sources, about how it is implamented in non muslim countries and what your responsibility is. just some advice only a muslim government has the right for punishment and only in there lands, so no choping of hands or stonning to death or what ever stereotyopical image you have of our faith, it is haram to take matters into your own hands. Can non muslims stop commenting on this topic your input is not asked for this isnt a discussion a muslim is asking for Islamic advice not confusion from your end. If you wish to discuss this by all means you are more than welcome to start a seperate topic in the relavent sections. This interferance is the main issue moderators have with non muslims, a muslim can not seek advice from another muslim without a non muslim confusing the issue, we dont mind simple questions to clarify a point but this is getting out of hand. The main reason for this site is to guide muslims then it is to educate non muslims please show some wisdom on the matter. i wont be around for 2 weeks so i wont be able to reply to anything being said. Edited by rami
	Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.

MayPB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 21 July 2005 Status: Offline Points: 75	Post Options Post Reply Quote MayPB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 January 2006 at 1:24pm
	Yes I am Muslim, and you undermine the information I gave you which you seem to have little understanding of. If every muslim beleived as you did then I guess your advice would make sense.