Question for muslim brothers

then perhaps it is me that is not a good muslim.....Also I love how when someone associates my comment as if I'm specifically commenting on Qur'an when I was referring to the "rhetoric" here made by members. I'm sorry if I'm realistic. Perhaps the problem with our society today is that we tend to become too much like literalist when it comes to doctrine and rather sympathetic to each other's situations.

In commenting on MM comments:

Even if Texas is one of the highest (which I highly doubt in comparison to California) the fact that there is no property tax of course your local government would have to suppliment that loss by taxing you elsewhere. One of the things why I would never explain God's existence or proseltyze to other about Qur'an is because we truly cannnot comprehend the spiritual implication of the words even if they are plain and clear. The Qur'an is composed of metaphors, allegores and literal meanings thus when we comment on certain verses in the Qur'an make careful consideration of the words "All-knowing" and "All merciful"

With that said...Even if it is an order by God I'm sure god is also knowing of each every prson situation. Just because I feel that a woman should work makes it no less reasonable and against God then someone who holds the belief that a woman should not work. My main position (which according to foody's statements seem to misunderstand totally) here is that where I live, which is Southern California, if a man doesn't have a good job to suppliment his expenses he can suffer economically. In Los Angeles to generate a decent living both parties have to make a combine $100,000.

I don't live in Los Angeles (Although I work there) this is quite true. Everyone's situation is different and the thing we tend to miss as a Muslim community is empathy for each and every persons situation. With respect to that I find your comment foody, bad advice. According to your statement I should move from this country because it will cause me to look in your words " a working bee." Brother, if there could be no wrong advice. Rather, we should understand that God with his wisdom has understanding of this. This is not some sin. This is not like me locking my woman in a closet everytime she goes outside. Or like Saudi Arabia where women cannot drive or Afghanistan where I take a Klashikov rifle to a woman's head.

There are many Muslim women here that work and come from countries where so-called "puritanical Islam" exist. My first priority is myself number one. In order for me to offer something to a woman I'd first have to stabilize myself, but I also think a woman should understand her surroundings and understand that a man cannot do everything. I do not like dependent women like that. To me dependent women in the sense of the expectation that a man should do everything economically in my opinion is weakness. As I was raised by a woman a woman should never have to depend on a man economically.

A woman should be educated and prepare for if the situation occurs she is able to work and provide for herself. In my duty it's common sense. I'm a cop, I can get killed or incapcitated. What happens if my wife has no degree or no proper skills? She will suffer. What about my kids? Oh is my wife gonna take loans out to make ends meet? Instead of the women making comments here about how bad my thinking is be realistic. Not every man does non-hazardous jobs and I think how some of your statements are unfair and unrealistic to my situation.

I find another obligation of muslims is to be sympathetic and empathetic to each others situations but we should never suggest something to someone if it goes against their personal interest such as moving away from this country especially after I established myself in a career. Again I love independent and interdependent women but I find that in 2006 this year depending on your situation women should contribute whether partially or fully.

Assalamu Alaikum Brother Israfil:

" One of the things why I would never explain God's existence or proseltyze to other about Qur'an is because we truly cannnot comprehend the spiritual implication of the words even if they are plain and clear. The Qur'an is composed of metaphors, allegores and literal meanings thus when we comment on certain verses in the Qur'an make careful consideration of the words "All-knowing" and "All merciful""

The Quran states:

'He it is Who has sent down to thee the book: in it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those  in whose hearts is perversity follow the part that is allegorical, seeking discord and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.' (Al Imran Verse 7)

Yes, there are verses in the Quran that are allegorical, but no one understands these verses except Allah(SWT). The rest of the Quran is extremely easy to understand as it was sent for all people for all time. Even those who are unlettered and illiterate.

The question of maintenance, the treatment of people, and the basics of Islam are among the verses considered basic and fundamental. Even children can understand them. These are the words of Allah(SWT), not mine.

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Israfil can you be a man?

Oh jeeze my aunt married a rich man, he has wealth beyond wealth, but she have her own store, she works there..selling women clothing and have her own money...and he is rich....sooo...what is the problem here? Didn't the prophit say cut the hands of anyone who doesn't work? Hell even the beggers are working, they are begging that is a job by itself, some clean car glasses, that is working even if he is begging, some play music on the street, that is working, even if he is begging, some make baskets and sell them in the street, another form of begging, but that is working. So you gotta work..she has to work...he has to work...

But bare in mind...that she also have the rights not work....but if she bares children that is the toughest job in the world..she has to bare your children, take care of the house, take care of your needs...the biggest sarcifice a women will initiate...so think about it my brother, before you dish muslimah women.  These American and modern women only think about herself most of the time...is that the type of person you want?


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