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abosait
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But brother Astroman, calling oneself a Muslim means that one follows the Qur'an and the Sunnah and knows that Allah is outside of His creations High above the seven heavens and above the throne as is mentioned in the Qur'an. s/he doesnt go seeking God but tries to worship Him in the way befitting Him as learnt from the Qur'an and the Sunnah. The religion of Islam is: (1)free of any dogma or mystical proposition which might make the Quranic doctrine difficult to understand or might even conflict with man�s innate reason; (2) it avoids all complicated ritual or system of taboos which would impose undue restrictions on mans everyday life; (3) it rejects all self-mortification and exaggerated asceticism, which must unavoidably conflict with mans true nature and (4) it takes fully into account the fact that "man has been created weak�� (4:28). Al-Hajj (The Pilgrimage)22:78 وَجَاهِدُوا فِي اللَّهِ حَقَّ جِهَادِهِ هُوَ اجْتَبَاكُمْ وَمَا جَعَلَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ مِنْ حَرَجٍ مِّلَّةَ أَبِيكُمْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ هُوَ سَمَّاكُمُ الْمُسْلِمينَ مِن قَبْلُ وَفِي هَذَا لِيَكُونَ الرَّسُولُ شَهِيدًا عَلَيْكُمْ وَتَكُونُوا شُهَدَاء عَلَى النَّاسِ فَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتُوا الزَّكَاةَ وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِاللَّهِ هُوَ مَوْلَاكُمْ فَنِعْمَ الْمَوْلَى وَنِعْمَ النَّصِيرُ And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline). He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular Prayer, give regular Charity, and hold fast to Allah. He is your Protector - the Best to protect and the Best to help! Edited by abosait - 01 December 2008 at 9:01am |
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abosait
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Brother Astroman, No doubt the sincere ones among those outside the fold of Islam are searching for Truth and are in need of guidance.
But this search (trying to seek Allah) ends where
Islam begins. the one who enters the fold of Islam has found the answers to his
questions such as "who is Allah" and "Where is Allah" and obeys
the command of Allah:
قُلْ إِنَّ
صَلاَتِي وَنُسُكِي وَمَحْيَايَ وَمَمَاتِي لِلّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ (6:162) لاَ شَرِيكَ
لَهُ وَبِذَلِكَ أُمِرْتُ وَأَنَاْ أَوَّلُ الْمُسْلِمِينَ (6:163)
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astroman
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Dear Abosait
Sincerely are you a lawyer by profession? Anyway, the very fact that we are all born muslim and we all know and accepted Allah SWT as our Creator long before we are born in the al'm Malakut (..correct me if I am wrong...). Yet many millions that come into this world are still groping and searching for TRUTH .... GOD... who ever IT is? Millions never ever know or hear The Almighty name either. So ? |
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Chrysalis
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with all due respect Bro . . . from a completley objective point of view. . . Abosait's points seem more rational compared to Nur's . . .cz atleast they are supported by authentic literature sources and fundamentals of Islam. If nonmuslims were part of this discussion, it would have been a different matter altogether, but as Muslims - the brunt of any religous argument lies on its support of authentic islamic sources. What so-and-so said and what i think/like is not the same as what Hadith or the Quran say.
Regards,
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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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abosait
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Brother Astroman, Assalamualaykum. Though the ongoing subject was about people who make a mockery of the Qur'an and Sunnah and propagate Sufism, the above question cannot be left unattended. Jazakallahu khair. The final revelation teaches that all mankind have the recognition of
God imprinted on their souls, a part of their very nature with which they are
created. (To know about this in detail please read Qur�an, Chapter 7, Verses
172-173) Just as the
child submits to the physical laws which God has put in nature, his soul also
submits naturally to the fact that God is his Lord and Creator. But, his
parents try to make him follow their own way and the child is not strong enough
in the early stages of his life to resist or oppose the will of his parents. The
religion which the child follows at this stage is one of custom and upbringing
and God Almighty does not hold him to account or punish him for this religion. Throughout
people's lives from childhood until the time they die, signs are shown to them
in all regions of the earth and in their own souls, until it becomes clear that
there is only one true God. If the people are honest with themselves, reject
their false gods and seek God, the way will be made easy for them but if they
continually reject God's signs and continue to worship creation, the more
difficult it will be for them to escape. Prophets were sent to every nation and tribe to support man's natural belief in God and man's inborn inclination to worship Him as well as to reinforce the divine truth in the daily signs revealed by God. Although, in most cases, much of the prophets' teachings became distorted, portions remained which point out right and wrong. Edited by abosait - 02 December 2008 at 3:51am |
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Nur_Ilahi
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What is Tasawwuf?
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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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Nur_Ilahi
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Assalamualaikum Chrysalis,
I know I lacked quoting the Quran and Hadiths, it is not that there is not any to back up my claim, but I do not have the time to search for it. InshaAllah, when time permits, I will produce some for your satisfaction.
Please read my long post above. Find and search in any of the above article anything that is against the Quran or Sunnah. Actually the proofs are all within ourselves. It is whether we want to accept it or not. Tasawwuf is mostly avoided by Muslims because it is trying to control our Nafs - The Ego/Desire/Passion/Lust which is one of our greatest enemy.
I will give another basic information about Tasawwuf. Read carefully and see whether it is applicable to you or not. If it is not, maybe then I am wrong.
On Being a Human Being
Shaykh Tosun Bayrak al-Jerrahi al-Halveti Oh the seeker who wishes to learn the chemistry of secrets and follow the path of the ones who have found salvation! If you wish to know yourself, know that the One who created you has created you with two sides. One is your outside and the other is your inside.: Your outside is visible, it is your form. Your inside is sometimes called your ego, sometimes your soul, sometimes your heart. Your truth is inside of you. Your outside, your eyes, your hands, your feet . . . . are the servants of your inside. Your heart is the center of it. It is not the piece of meat on the left side of your chest, because animals, even dead people have it. It is a piece of meat which is visible. Everything which is visible belongs to this world. The heart, the soul, which is the center of your inner being, is invisible, but to it, the beauty of the truth is visible. All the rest of your physical being is its servant. What Allah addresses, His obligations, His prohibitions, His rewards and His punishments are all to your inner self. But when the heart is addressed, when it obeys or it revolts, all the rest of you follows it. To know it is the key to knowing your Lord. Try to learn it, find it and be with it. It is also created and made out of matter, but of fine matter, from the same material which the angels are made of. When the beloved of Allah, our master says: "I am made from the divine light of Allah and the believers generate from me." He means with the divine light, that material which your heart is made of. Know that your heart has come from the invisible higher realms of the angels, close to your Lord and has descended to the ruins of this world to be tested and will soon return to its Lord. http://www.crescentlife.com/spirituality/being_human.htm By the way Chrysalis, do you realise that we are communicating via our 'inside"? |
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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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astroman
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Dear Nur Illahi
Thank you for your time and to all too. I originally was looking for "sufi remote healing?" I have been analysing that the issues exploded from this discussions were focussing on the issues of whether Sufi as practiced by many muslims is Islamic or otherwise. I am no authority on this subject. I and my family stand to our proclaimation of our shahadah, Al Quran is our ultimate book of reference ("not a dot is added or taken off") and abiding to Sunah RasulAllah. What ever we do, we are answerable to Allah SWT here and the hereafter. Wish not to continue this subject which leads me nowhere. If others wish to continue, please do so but please do not deviate from the basic fudamentals of Islam! The Sahadah, Al Quran and Sunah rasulAllah. Good bye and Assalamualaikum Edited by astroman - 02 December 2008 at 5:01am |
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