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ummziba
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Anne Marie, no one has issue with your "new way of looking at religion", you are free to have your own views - just quit calling it Islam, it is not. You may very well lead some astray by calling your vision of how religion should be "Islam". "And so, the parable of those who are bent on denying the truth is that of the beast which hears the shepherd's cry, and hears in it nothing but the sound of a voice and a call. Deaf are they, and dumb, and blind: for they do not use their reason." Qur'an 2:171 Peace, ummziba. |
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amlhabibi2000
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Alaikoam Salam I see no harm in calling my beliefs Islam and I believe that we need a positive shift in thinking about some things we have taken for granted and possibly not completely understood. In the end a new perspective can renew our Faith in ourselves, others and our Religion. Inshallah this will be a time of a great sorting out into resolution groups to resolve all our challenges peacefully and with respect for ourselves and other in the process. Hope begins with each of us. May Allah Bless us for addressing our issues of being abused, self abusiveness or abusing others and get the counseling and guidance neeeded to make positive changes in our lives doing this is excellent Dawah. Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi
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Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
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Israfil
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Sister Ummziba first and foremost how you sounded my post were not directed towards you nor towards anyone else here. Also there is nothing wrong with me saying that my purpose is to help guide my bros and sisters in the right direction. The whole remark with that was (if you understood my undertone hopefully) that I take no responsibility nor propagate what Anee was saying. Yes I've told her she is wrong. Yes I highly disagree with the things she saying in the name of Islam. Yes her words about Islam being imperfect are extremely HARAM and unIslamic. Yes these are grounds for excommunication from the Muslim community. She I myself as my own individual judge her according to these? Yes and No. I can judge her as a non-Muslim in the sense of how she is expressing her views and her arguments backing such views. But should I condemn her in the sense of calling her Kufr and the like etc. No. God is the ultimate judge therefore whatever she says she will appear before her Lord regarding these issues. My remarks were mainly towards myself. It had nothing to do with anyone else her sister so chill out! |
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Angel
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Life and Islam are always evolving and developing better ways of communicating, educating, nurturing and encouraging each of us to be better people and this process is called both Life and Islam. Islam is not contained souly in books Islam is Life itself and as such both are always in the process of change It seems you haven't pondered on my posts in page three |
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Angel
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mmmmmm.. You've stated that you don't fear allah, islam is imperfect, allah's laws need to be changed, life and islam are the same while contradicting it (read my post on pg 3) - these are not the beliefs of islam, I as a non muslim know that. So I don't know how you can call what you believe in is islam also ?? |
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amlhabibi2000
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Alaikoam Salam I realize that as a people we want to believe that we know everything and that what we believe is perfect. However as we can see from history there Life and Islam are always being perfected and new and better ways of dealing with issues are revealed on a daily and moment by moment basis. Becuase we have accepted to a degree our circumstances we sometimes hesitate to accept new ways of handling issues in our lives like getting counseling when we have had issues of abuse, self abuse or being abusive to others ourselves. It is great Dawah and a fitting way to make Hajj (pilgrimage) to our lives and see where we need assistance and guidance from trained professionals so that the cycle of abuse and violence can be stopped from continuing its ruinous path of distruction. Though all paths of Islam (Ie all religions and those with none) tell us to be good people it is not clear in the scriptures, surahs etc exactly how to deal with violence in positive and productive ways so there fore yeas Islam can learn new things, it has to if we want to survive as individuals and people. I have read many of your posts and I understand that you do not agree with my thoughts on Islam and this is okay as I know it takes a while to understand new ideas. I am not saying throw all of Traditional Islam or any religions out the window just that wer have to encorporate some new laws and education programs so people have the skills and education to face what ever challenges they have to deal with in the average day. So there there really is nothing to fear unless you fear positive change for some reason. Having seen and experienced some of the ignorance in Life and Islam as well as other paths of Islam and seen the suffering that has been purpetuated by this ignorance, fear and apthy I am moved to do what I can to assist in clearing up the confusion as best as I can. Inshallah there will be a greater sorting out of Mankind into resolution and education, training and counseling and consultation groups to resolve issues of family violence, parenting skills, relationship building and mending and anger manageement skills as well as sexual health information training and good conflict resolution skills training. As I mentioned before hope begins with each of us, so if you are experiencing family violence, abuse of any kind, self abusive behavior or abusing anyone seek out counseling in your community to resolve these issues in a caring and positive way that gives you and everyone dignity. As I have mentioned I mean no disrespect to Islam in saying that there are some issues that need to be addressed in terms of out dated and impractical laws that only perpetuate the use of violence and do nothing to educate people in healthier choices or give them better problem solving skills. Education, counseling and consultation are the best justice and the best prevention from people doing crime as I believe if all are treated with dignity and encouraged to Arise Responsibly and Spiritually they will do so and those who do not can have further counseling and therapy to resolve whatever issues they have so they can be more caring towarss themselves and others too. Whether Islam, Life, The World or we as individuals like it or not we are always learning new ways of doing things better and therefor we must learn these new and better skills so we can bring an end to the expression of violence in our lives, our families, our communities and our Nations once and for all. There is great hope in Life and Islam and I believe in the ability of all of us to Arise Responsibly and Spiritually especially when we know what this means and how to do it effectively. May Allah Bless us all on our Journey to a place of no sorrow in this life some call it Heaven and some call it Jannah. Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi
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Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
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Hayfa
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Hmmm..this can be a confusing thread. I am not sure how counseling is anything radical.. maybe I am missing the boat?? People have always gone for 'counsel' from family, friends, the Iman... However as we can see from history there Life and Islam are always being perfected and new and better ways of dealing with issues are revealed on a daily and moment by moment basis. I am not sure Islam is being 'perfected'. When I think of as perfection is Allah. No person is perfect. (Though some are closer than others ) I think that the striving in an individual effort. Are we better at it then people 300 years ago?? People are all so different. This is NOT about Islam but about the person. You mention alot about 'unhealhy' practices.. by whom and what you are referring to? You mentioned cutting off hands etc. Those laws are there for a reason. Some people just do not get it. They are unable to see reason etc. One can talk to their blue in the face to these people.. Set guidelines etc. And it does not work. That is a reality. Some people just don't. That is why there are sometimes harsh punishments. I believe strongly in forgiveness but there is a societal responsibilty as well. Sometimes things can be seen as 'harsh' but that is to help people remember. and in act is does keep people in line. We are all weak in different ways. Counseling is all nice but it does not always work. Take pedophiles for example. They are all messed up. And they have found it is almost impossible to rehabilitate them. I hope he can save his soul but if he touch a child he deserves something bad happen to him. I teach kids and have nieces and nephews and would pay retribution myself! and I am not blood thirsty.. the opposite actually. You call for an end to violence.. that is very noble and frankly it will not happen. We are too weak. Allah set these rules because of this. Otherwise we would not here to be tested as individuals. For me I've noticed in the Quran two ways of reaching people (and there are others).. one with the promise of salvation and heaven.. the wreaching of people with love. Then there is another way. The threat of hell and retribution. Why is that? Maybe because for some people they need that. The fear or else they would run amock. I don't claim to understand or any great knowledge but it obvious that we live on a beautiful planet and one that has great violence. Watch the natural world. We are not separate from that. There are many mysteries. But strong rules are there to help people. Imagine a person who wants to steal but is afraid of retribution. That stops him from the crime. Yes there is Allah's judgement, but people lose focus. you can prevent a crime and keep people safe. (and help this person's spirit and soul by helping them to not commit a crime.) Helps everyone.
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amlhabibi2000
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Alaikoam Salam Thank you for your thoughts on what I shared. I believe that behaviors such as violence and sexual abuse can be prevented with education and counseling as well as open lines of communication and a healthy community support system so everyone knows where to call or go when they have particular kinds of issues to resolve. The challenge of the past is that humanity has been working at learning good counseling skills and healthy ways to resolve challenges and conflicts so everyone wins. Only a percentage of the worlds population has the tools and education and training they need to feel good about who they are and assist them in solving their challenges with dignity and respect they and all of us deserve. We have reached a time in history when we can call all the world to Arise Responsibly and Spiritually and recieve the education, training and guidance they need to resolve the challenges they are faced with and inspire them to have hope in themselves, the world and others. This effort will take affirmations of Faith, Trust, Trust and Accepting Responsiblity and Accountability on the part of each of us. We each have a role to play in the world and to meet these we need excellnce in guidance and the communication skills, the conflict resolution skills and parenting skills, the relationships skills to address all the issues we have. In short as I mentioned before we need a great sorting out into resolution groups to recieve the education, training and guidance we need to succeed at the challenges life presents each of us. In inspiring everyone to take on the challenge of learning new skills and accepting to respect themselves and others by getting the help they need we can create Heaven, Jannah in this life and within ourselves. Islam and Life are in the constant process of revealing new and better ways to meet the challenges of life and it is not disrespecting Islam to say so. Anne Marie Elderkin Habibi
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Judgement day passes in the moment we decide something needs attention & we take positive action. Then there will be a great sorting out of people into groups, Inspired by Surah 99 Ayat 1-8
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