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Bismillah irrahman irrahim

Assalamu alaikum

Im sorry for causing u a hurt sis herjihad, brother ak asked a question and i only mentioned the law, no one said that any1 who dont follow will go to hell cos alhamdulillah i know that Allah swt said in Holy Quran He forgives everything other than shirk to whomever He wills.  I know bout myself and im sure the intention of other sisters who said similar is the same that if some1 asks and is in doubt u try to encourage em to the right by stating the law and every thing else that u can do only to encourage another person into complete submission of Allah swt bcos u know thats whats best for the soul of each n every individual.

sis what men do of wrong is also said to be wrong and im sure there will be many brothers who would be encouraging them to the right path, another thing please dont take everything as an isult or something and if makes u angry then inshaAllah say Istghfar and then forgive for sake of ur lord cos Allah swt loves those who forgive others for his sake, u r getting double reward as u getting wronged and bearing it and then forgiving aswell, and mayb intention of the other person is really sincere cos matters of heart are only known to Allah swt

Lastly living in west i do know its hard so no one should judge another person but sis see the reward, those people in time of Sayyidina Muhammad (saw) and He (saw) himself went through worst of abuse but those are the ones who get nearness of Allah swt, Mayb when some1 mentions hijab is only with the good heart of thinkin all the reward u will get and will also help them in attainin more so subhanAllah thousand of reason, im so so so so so ........ sorry, hope u forgive me

wassalam

Say: (O Muhammad) If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, MercifuL
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Relax sister Fatima!

It is your duty to enjoin good and forbid evil......so continue doing that.

Allah says:

"Show forgiveness, enjoin what is good, and turn away from the foolish (i.e. dont punish them)."  
(  سورة الأعراف  , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #199)


"O you who believe! Take care of your ownselves, (do righteous deeds, fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)). If you follow the right guidance and enjoin what is right (Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam orders one to do) and forbid what is wrong (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden) no hurt can come to you from those who are in error. The return of you all is to Allah, then He will inform you about (all) that which you used to do".  
(  سورة المائدة  , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #105)


"O my son! (Luqman to his son) AqimisSalat (perform AsSalat), enjoin (people) for AlMaroof (Islamic Monotheism and all that is good), and forbid (people) from AlMunkar (i.e. disbelief in the Oneness of Allah, polytheism of all kinds and all that is evil and bad), and bear with patience whatever befall you. Verily! These are some of the important commandments ordered by Allah with no exemption.  
(  سورة لقمان  , Luqman, Chapter #31, Verse #17)


Allah is Sufficient as a Walee (Protector) and Allah is Sufficient as a Naseer (Helper).
(Surah An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #45)
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Bismillah,

Dear Sister Fatima,

Thank you for your kind comments.  Well, Okay.  I forgive you. . Thanks for caring!  You are so thoughtful in your wording, Ma'shah Allah!

 Even though I'm being silly, there are two important issues here.  One is that even though the squeaky wheel gets the oil, all the wheels need oil.  Meaning that just because on this web site and others like it and in the mosques as well everyone you know and hear of says hijab meaning head scarf is obligatory et cetera et cetera, doesn't mean that millions of Muslims in this big world that Allah, SWT, created agree.  Millions of us don't agree and don't say that hijab, head scarf is obligatory.  And people get so mad that they start saying it is a bad thing, which I don't normally agree with.  So I am one person presenting this as one Islaamic point of view, but I represent many others who agree.

And if we can solve the issue of how to talk to one another in a loving, non-aggressive, non-offensive way, then we can fix a lot of other problems that we Muslims have amongst each other.  We have so many differences!  Muslims right now are fighting and killing each other and each other's children.  For the sake of Allah, SWT, and His good pleasure with us, we must learn to get along much better than we do.

So I won't grin and bear it when Ammah makes the comment she just did.  She doesn't get it that that is hurtful and mean and not the same thing and doesn't apply.  I know she doesn't intend to hurt, but sisters need to be smarter and adapt and learn how to communicate lovingly and with compassion.  I know more sisters who stopped going to the mosque and Sister's groups for this attitude than for any other reason. 

I don't want to insist with Muslims that I am right that hijab is Not obligatory.  But I do insist that Muslims not discount my integrity and sisters like me because we need to respect each other so that we can build a better world together.  You guys can believe that it is obligatory if you want.  And if you guys want, we can have dialogue about it.  But this debate is killing us.

(Reminder: I wore a scarf for 15 years and a jilbab very many years also. )

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Bismillah,

May Allah, The Merciful and Loving forgive you Sister Amah.

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Originally posted by herjihad herjihad wrote:

So I won't grin and bear it when Ammah makes the comment she just did.  She doesn't get it that that is hurtful and mean and not the same thing and doesn't apply.  I know she doesn't intend to hurt, but sisters need to be smarter and adapt and learn how to communicate lovingly and with compassion.  I know more sisters who stopped going to the mosque and Sister's groups for this attitude than for any other reason. 



Dear sis, which comment of mine hurt you?????

Allah is Sufficient as a Walee (Protector) and Allah is Sufficient as a Naseer (Helper).
(Surah An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #45)
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Herjihad, I know your integrity!! IF I needed Islamic advice I would come to you First!!! Your a patient kind woman.. Peace
You cant be a good muslim if you are not decent and have a cold heart. Be a decent and kind person and care for women and children and the elderly.
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Bismillah,

Salaamu alaykum, Sister Jenni.  I am humbled by your kind words.  JazzakAllahKhayr.  May Allah, SWT, forgive and guide us all.

 

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Bismillah,

Sister Amah,  When you say:

Relax sister Fatima!

It is your duty to enjoin good and forbid evil......so continue doing that.

It seems that you equate not wearing a scarf to evil.  Is that not what you meant?

Turning away from the sick and oppressed is evil.  Pornography is evil.  Beating your wife and children is evil. Murder is evil.  Being rude all the time when you could be patient and kind is evil. 

Sisters who wear modest clothing, don't pick up guys in bars, read Quran, care for their families are some of the behaviors that describe good people to me.  I don't see ANY evil in such people, but especially I don't see they are evil for not having a head cloth on.

I appreciate your quote indicating that we are not to tell each other we are going to hell or we may do so in the end.  Sisters aren't usually saying it so directly, but instead they are quoting verses unrelated to the scarf which say people are going to hellfire as response to my and other sisters comments that we don't intend to wear scarves especially in western countries where we know abuse and degradation will be heaped on us.

Thank you for trying to relate to what we are saying, Sister.  JazzakAllahKhayr.

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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