Sunni Shiite Islam

Salam to Tasneem,

REGARDING QURAN VERSE QUOTED

"Do not follow those who have forgotten mention of Me and pursue their own fancies." (18:27)�

The site that I got this from is not down right now. I will have to research this further and get back to you. They may have misquoted the reference.

You said,

" The first and foremost source of guidance for a Muslim is the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet Mohammed (SAW)."

I'm not sure why this sentence (this idea) is being continually repeated, as is there is some disagreement. If we cannot depend on those such as Iman Ali (a.s.), who is known as the gate to the city of the knowledge of the Prophet and Imam Hussien (a.s.), his grandson who is a member of his purified progeny and Imam Jafar As-Sadiq (a.s.) to convey the principles of Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet (a.s.), then who can we turn to? Abu Harirah?

I have asked numerous times for Sunni sources on the events of Karbala. Do you know of any accurate sources of information that are depended on by the Sunni's?

REGARDING MUTAH

According to Ayatullah Khamenei

" Temporary marriage like permanent marriage, requires a marriage contract. Moreover there is no difference between permanent marriage and temporary marriage except in some aspects of the law, such as there is no divorce in temporary marriage - it terminates with the expiration of the time period. Likewise, neither spouse in a temporary marriage inherits from the other. The temporary marriage contract is as follows: The woman says: " I marry myself to you for the specified dowry (mention the amount) and for the specified time period (mention the time period)". Then the man says: "I accept". 
3) According to obligatory precaution, for the marriage of a virgin girl it is a condition to obtain her guardian�s (father or paternal grandfather) permission. "

SOURCE: http://www.khamenei.de/fatwas/further.htm#temporarymarriage

TO SUMMARIZE;

Custody in Temporary Marriage: same as Permanent Marriage

Idat (mandatory waiting period); same as Permanent Marriage

Prohibition against marriage based on Lust; same as Permanent Marriage

TWO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN PERMANENT AND TEMPORARY MARRIAGE

1.) No Divorce- Marriage terminates automatically after a specified time period.

2.) No Inheritance: Spouses do not inherit from eachother.

Most of the arguments that I have heard against temporary marriage could also be applied to permanent marriage. There is, in reality, very little difference between the two types of marriage.

- Regarding Single Parent families- This term is a western one, and has a western connotation. Since there is no divorce in temporary marriage, there is no questions of the child being in a "divorced" family. The father is still financially responsible for his children (as in permanent marriage w/divorce). In regards to the father and mother not living together, there are many practical solutions to this problem, as would apply to a divorce situation. Obviously, most people that enter into a permanent marriage do not intend to get divorced, as most temporary marriage is not with the intention of having children.

The most commont argument against temporary marriage is that is "legalized prostitution". I don't know about that, I think any prostitute would have a hard time making a living if she had to wait three months between each temporary marriage.

 

Salam Tasneem,

REGARDING TEMPORARY MARRIAGE BEING THE SUNNAH OF THE PROPHET (A.S.)

Before quoting Sunni sources which definately establish that temporary marriage was part of the Sunna of the prophet, I would like to clarify one thing. I AM NOT HERE TO ENCOURAGE THIS PRACTICE. It is clear from the Quran and Sunnah that permanent marriage is the best solution for all men and women, and that temporary marriage is for those situations where permanent marriage or (second best) abstienance is not possible. I reapeat, PERMANENT MARRIAGE IS BETTER THAN TEMPORARY MARRIAGE, ABSTEINANCE IS BETTER THAN TEMPORARY MARRIAGE. This is also in the Quran and Sunna.

Also, there are (unfortunately) Muslims that ABUSE temporary marriage, and use it incorrectly and for lustful purposes. The same applies to Muslim men who marry more than one wife permanently (which Sunni and Shia agree is permissable).

However, it is not right to say that it is haram. Here are the references from Sunni scholars which establish this.

After a brief overview of books of Tafsir in Part I, let us now look at some of the Sunni collections of traditions. It is narrated in Sahih Muslim that:

Jabir Ibn Abdullah and Salama Ibn al-Akwa' narrated: There came to us the proclaimer of Allah's Messenger (May peace be upon him) and said: "Allah's Messenger has granted you to benefit yourself (Istamta'u), i.e., to contract temporary marriage with women."

In the above tradition the verb Istamta'a (to enjoy; to have pleasure) has been used which is the exact form of the verb used in Quran in the verse of Mut'a 4:24, and moreover, Jabir said in the above tradition that Istamta'a means performing Mut'a of women (temporary marriage).

Sunni references:

• Sahih Muslim, English version, v2, chapter DXLI (titled: Temporary Marriage), Tradition #3246
• Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v2, p1022, Tradition #13, "Kitab al-Nikah, Bab Nikah al-Mut'a"

 

HERE'S MORE;

" Salama Ibn al-Akwa' and Jabir Ibn Abdullah reported: Allah's Messenger (May peace be upon him) came to us and permitted us to contract temporary marriage. "

Sunni references:

• Sahih Muslim, English version, v2, chapter DXLI (titled: Temporary Marriage), Tradition #3247
• Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v2, p1022, Tradition #14, "Kitab al-Nikah, Bab Nikah al-Mut'a"

"The Verse of Mut'a was revealed in Allah's Book, so we did it at the time of Allah's Apostle, and nothing was revealed in Quran to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet prohibit it till he died. But a man (who regarded it illegal) expressed what his own mind suggested."

[ Note: For the above Hadith, the Saudi translator of Sahih al-Bukhari (Muhammad Muhsin Khan) has changed the word "Mut'a" to "Hajj-at-Tamatu". This is while in the Arabic text of the Hadith of al-Bukhari which is beside the English text, the word "Mut'a" has been used alone: ]

Sunni references:

• Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English, v6, Hadith #43
• Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic, v2, p375, v6, p34
• Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v4, p436 on the authority of 'Imran Ibn al-Qasir

HOW'S ABOUT ANOTHER ONE

Abu Nadhra said: Ibn Abbas commanded to do Mut'a while Ibn Zubair forbade to do it. I mentioned this to Jabir Ibn Abdillah and he said: It is through me that this Hadith has been circulated. We did Mut'a (of Hajj and women) at the time of the Messenger of Allah. When Umar was installed as Caliph, he said: Verily Allah made permissible for his Messenger whatever He like and as He liked. And its command was revealed in Quran. Thus accomplish Hajj and Umra for Allah as Allah has commanded you, and confirm (by reverting to permanent marriage) the marriages of those women (with whom you have performed Mut'a). And any person would come to me with a marriage of appointed duration (i.e. Mut'a) I would stone him.

Sunni references:

• Sahih Muslim, English version, v2, chapter CDXLII, Tradition #2801
• Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v2, p885, Tradition #145.

Let me know if you need more. By the way, this is NOT a Shia site (as far as I know). Also, if you want to have a discussions only with people that agree with you, this is called preaching (or lecturing), not a discussion.

Salam

 

 

Mr Ali Zaki

Anything and everything can be concocted except the one and only SOURCE which Allah has promised to preserve - the QUR'AN. If I dispute with you about your sources of information and then I go and obtain similar sources of information that have been collected by Sunni scholars you are bound to oppose me. The safest and the most & only reliable grounds where each of us should agree is the Qur'an. Not a single letter from this Holy Treasure of ours has been changed. So let us rely on this and let us only rely on what has been made plain and easy for us to understand.

013.036 :Those to whom We have given the Book rejoice at what hath been revealed unto thee: but there are among the clans those who reject a part thereof. Say: "I am commanded to worship Allah, and not to join partners with Him. Unto Him do I call, and unto Him is my return."

013.037:Thus have We revealed it to be a judgment of authority in Arabic. Wert thou to follow their (vain) desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither protector nor defender against Allah.

Keeping in mind the above let us not decieve ourselves nor decieve others. Allah's curse is on those who disobey HIS commands. I have heard that Iran is tackling a HIV and AIDS epidemic. I hope this is untrue, but the possibility is there when we disregard Allah's commands. What is prohibited is prohibited. The Jews found a way about disregarding the Sabbath and we have a lesson from this. Saying permanent is better than temporary etc are mere words that were never sanctioned by Allah in the Qur'an.

Edited by Tasneem

Tasneem wrote: Assalam-alaikum Mr Ayyubi Thankyou for your input and�I appreciate it. Re: "as usual shia respond with that Ali(ra) and other imams where doing taqiya(lying), as reported in shia hadith imam jafar sadiq(ra) said "Nine tenths of religion(shiism) is taqiyyah(lying)"��I do not understand why lying is valued by Shias. Does the word "Taqiyyah" have any other meaning as they understand it?

Taqiya linguistically mens concealing or disguising ons true belief. They say its allowed to do taqiya if one fears for his life if he tels the truth (Ali(ra) making taqiya about muta is example shia quote). The shia taqiya is special type of lying and hypocrisy from our point of view. Taqiya is an integral part of their religion as conformed by Ali zakis favorite sourse al-islam.org

The truth is they adopted this belief of taqiya in their religion as surviving mechanism because they where always seen as heretical cult and mischief makers by muslims. Thats why you will find many hadith prising taqiya in their books here is some hadith in their books

Nine tenths of religion is taqiyyah, hence one who does not dissimulate has no religion." (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.110)

"A believer who does not dissimulate is like a body without a head." (Tafseer al-Askari)"


"Mix with them(i.e. non-shia) externally but oppose them internally." (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.116)"