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Salams_wife
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I know what you mean Layalee. I have been a muslim for less than a year so I am still finding my way to do what is right and keep good relations with my family. Not an easy thing to do when you tell your very religious family you converted to a different religion that they are very nervous about. I also have several pastors in my family so I have to constantly listen to their comments of converting me back (which I tell them there isn't a chance). Thank God they love me enough to accept me regardless. As for the pork issue, that has always been a problem. I found I had an allergy to pork when I was 15 years old so I stopped eating it then. People kept saying it was all in my head and would try to sneak it into food where it was more difficult to know, but I still often got sick from it. Other times I just ate vegetables if pork was the only meat served. So at least converting over to Islam didn't cause too many problems on the pork issue. I had learned my way around that years ago. |
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Israfil
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layalee wrote:
In my own personal view, there is a significant difference between wishing someone "Happy Holidays" and "Merry Christmas." With the former, you are acknowledging the fall Holidays which include (depending on the month and calendar) Happy Eid, Happy Hannakuh, Merry Christmas, and Happy New Years. Although Happy Holidays is quite general in the sense, it does not point out any significant Holiday in which the greeter gives respect to but acknowledges all the Holidays. With respect to the latter, we are being more specific and the greeting is more significant because we are acknowledging a specific religious holiday. Although one can say Merry Christmas and in their mind not have any intent on attributing their greeting in a religious way, but because Christmas is generally recognized as a religious holiday (and national one at that) it can be believed along the lines of being a religious one. If one were to greet a person either or it depends on the intent as well as the circumstance. If you are simply being cordial and in your heart the greeting is strictly out of courtesy I don't see why either of the greetings matter. However, I would only agree with scholars with respect to not greeting someone a Merry Christmas only because the greeting may entail recognizing Christian beliefs. But, I would go to the extreme and say greeting someone a Merry Christmas is along the lines of worshiping the crucifix. No, that is more extreme than what I would say. I also wouldn't say that a Muslim would fall out of grace. These rhetorical statements are merely trying to scare the masses in being "pious." The problem with scholars on this subject is distinguishing what are appropriate and inappropriate greetings and how we can be courteous to Christians without offending them and overstepping our own religious boundaries.
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layalee
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Thanks for sharing your view brother Israfil.
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mariyah
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Dearest Brother Isafril: Consider the countries where these posters claim to live. They have little contact compared to us with "people of the book" As the prophet once commented is that Islam would again rise from the west. Many of the quotes of the scholars i see here are of Indo pak origin and they really do not have a clue about anything but an isolated type of Islam. Their Islam has a lot of cultural practices written in stone in its practice. They are exposed to hindis and Buddhists and those are not of the Abrahamic religions. Consider the cultures of the so called "extremist" and it is obvious. |
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"Every good deed is charity whether you come to your brother's assistance or just greet him with a smile.
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mariyah
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Asalaamu alaikum:
And here is the ruling of one Scholar or Shayk that I found at Islam online, please note the Quranic verse it includes, It is the command of Allah Sunbanallah wa taa'la: This is what I mean for every fatwa there is a counter Fatwa: found at http://www.islamonline.com/news/newsfull.php?newid=73425
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"Every good deed is charity whether you come to your brother's assistance or just greet him with a smile.
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minuteman
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Very good , opinion and guidance in this matter. I am happy to note the verse of quran 4:86 which I knew but failed to present. It says, if you get any gift or greeting then try to return that greeting with better words / value or if that is not possible then return it with equal good quality. Thanks for posting the verse. qardhawi has given good line to the muslims. I was reading Quan today (morning). It was from 5:57 onward. We are not to befriend the enemies of Islam. The matter was all about the people of the book. If those jest and make jokes of our religion or our call for the prayer then of course we should not get close to them. But for the normal christian, there is no harm to us to get along with him in a good human way. I do not mind believing the scholars and respecting them but their material should be decent and loving and supporting peaceful co-existence. Islam is for peace and love and not for hatred. Edited by minuteman |
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Sign*Reader
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Waalaukussalaam: Don�t worry about being late on the post cuz it has so far been viewed by app 500 people and if you do a guesstimate they were about 0.00003% of the Muslims in the whole world, will take a long time to warn who are living in the non Islamic world and those who stuck in the neo colonialism. So get the this heavy weight off your shoulders and relax! Allah knows all about the decline of His ummah since the demise of Caliphate and it�s passing on to colonization (a euphemism of a modern slavery) It is no secret brother what you are calling KUFAR have enslaved Islamic lands directly or indirectly. If you live in some African country, mostly were part European colonies, imagine the degradation the people have gone through! You might like to know the Muslims some of which were moved
around as indentured slaves or coolies from one colony to another like say from
If you see Muslims congratulating KUFAR, you probably don�t see many clearly prohibited things they do provided by the capitalist west to all. The so called Muslims themselves are involved in the booze, swine and gambling trades to make the almighty dollar! Most people who are not dedicated miss out the Jumaa and then tell the bosses to have a nice weekend! The weekend is Saturday and Sunday - holiday for Jews and Xians. If you could only see the so called Muslim doctor crowd who migrated
from the subcontinent to the In US capitalism/consumerism the Xmas is nothing but a climax of rampant consumerism and an indicator for the economy. The celebrant of this Roman holiday buy the goods at full prices and the non celebratory spectators pay a fraction the day after and are happier with less charges on their plastics. I haven�t had any such encounter ever since my retirement took effect of any such congratulations, the colleagues knew what to expect! In the neighborhood the family on the right is a reform Jewish a non issue on the left a secular Xians they have a inflatable Santa on the front yard and the lights and they have a quite dinner with their family and their hardly any greetings. A couple years back a new bible thumper family got little excited and went around the neighborhood singing Xmas carols, now they also learnt to keep to themselves. Didn�t have too good of terms with the Jewish fella for sometimes but now Hi hello takes place. He surprised with Happy Ramadan greetings last year, it so happened that the same day was their Rosh Hashanah or new year and I did greet him and then asked what did he do for that! His answer he as not into the repentance thing being a reform Jew!
Let me quote a couplet from Dr. Iqbal�s famous poem �the Complaint� You are a Syed , a Mirza and Afghan too! You are every thing but pray tell are you a Muslim? His famous poems are available on you tube, you might like to read. Your self praise of Muslims is commendable, but I am afraid
they haven�t got their act together! Where are they in the pioneer or leadership
position in the world? Just look at the news from the place called the
I think is kind of bad joke considering the
condition of Muslims today! Is Ibn al-Qayyim a
Ahle sunnah source, I have some doubts! He is used by the Saudis a lot! Finally if you don't live in the west & haven't been involved in a business you won't know what this ' happy holidays' are all about! It is the bottom line Edited by Sign*Reader |
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Angel
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I'm with Imp, maryah, Israfil and minuteman. I also believe somewhat that the scholars, at least what Seek had brought across, have gone way to far in the extreme to the point of shutting yourself of from society. Alot of it is paranoia and causes unnecessary anxiety. How can you function like that ? Laylee, i respect your beliefs and that is your choice but I cannot help but feel you are wrapping yourself up in cotton wool, I'm sure you feel some kind of aniexty, just look now at mothers' day you say you won't celebrate it anymore?? I can see you now on the day making a concious effort in not doing anything for your mum for fear of doing something wrong in the eye of Allah because it now has somekind of religious context to it. I mean no offence and you can do whatever you like but this is what I am picking up from your posts. In general, in all of this, nothing is set in concrete in islam on all of this and its unclear EXACTLY what Muhammed did, of course he didn't celebrate christmas but i doubt that he didn't think of Jesus at that time himself with Jesus being a prophet in Islam. and it seem to come down to personal opinion but wishing some one merry/happy christmas, etc etc or attending a celebration while staying away from certain things like alcohol and pork SHOULD NOT have to compromise your religion or faith. Many people anyway have special dietary needs. I brought two articles that posted, one in the thread "the truth about christmas" and the other is in interfaith about views of some muslims of these time of holidays. links are: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=29& PN=4 www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=10&PN=2 Edited by Angel |
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