WHAT IS KUFR?????

 

 

 It is for angela, from the Quran. Bible says:

 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

 And Quran says: 

[14:24] Dost thou not see how Allah sets forth a parable of a good word? It is like a good tree, whose root is firm and whose branches reach into heaven?

[14:25] It brings forth its fruit at all times by the command of its Lord. And Allah sets forth parables for men that they may be reminded.

 

 

 Yes, there are muslims who seriously believe in:

1. Jihad, i.e. fight for religion with the sword. Some of them think that the mission of the prophet was political. And some senior muslim leaders agree that Islam was spread by sword.

2, Some believe that some verses of the Quran are abrogated by some other verses of the  Quran.

3. Some Muslims believe that the punishment for adultry is stoning to death. I believe that it was the punishment for adultry in the Jewish book of law and it may be necessary if there is a case of rape or murder. Then stoning is necessary. But those who do that act with mutual consent may be flogged in public.

4. Any one who has not recited the Kalimah is a Kaafir even though he may be quite an ignorant, unaware, peaceful person. This has been discusses here on this forum.

5. Muslims believe that The Jews and  the christians who believe in God and do good deeds (are peaceful persons, nothing against Islam) will not benefit and will not go to heavens unless they become Muslims.

6. There are some Muslims who believe that Hadith is more important than the Quran. And there are some others who say that hadith and Sunnah is not important at all. That Quran only is enough for us. That is quite the opposite of the other party.

7.  There are some muslims  who believe that the dead people do come back to this world i.e. Allah brings them back to this life again. The others believe that dead people never return to this world.

8. It is almost believed that only Muslims will go to jannat (paradise).

 These are small differences in the Ummah. But there are many other greater differences which I do not describe here now.

 The most important of the one I have described are the understanding of Kufar and Islam because that is important from the point of view of relations with  other people. If there is anything basically wrong in that then it affects the Muslims  badly. That may need better understanding. Immediate attention.

 

Truthlight, I hope all this questioning and needing for clarity doesn't wear you down.  I think I get it.

Perhaps even still more concise...

Again, and in a sentence: with the exception of complete ignorance, all non-muslims go to eternal hellfire.

Our Seeks qualified it by saying, you do get a break if you born before the understanding of Islam and even today, if you have never heard of Islam.

And what's the way out of being forced to drink brackish liquids and have one's flesh burned off eternally in hell?
Belief in Islam which includes a certain subservience to Mohammed (saw).   Righteous Jews, Christians, Bahai's, Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, Animists, Atheists - no matter what they have done to ease another's suffering, no matter how much they have done to increase the flows of connectivity, information and love to reach the troubled corners of the earth, to alleviate disease, heartbreak, hunger, soul crushing poverty ...  all these non-muslims, they all go to eternal hellfire for not accepting Mohammed as the Last Prophet and observing the proscribed practices of Muslims.

Ron, I am in complete agreement.  My Church teaches that each person will gain a measure according to their belief and to their deeds.  There are three levels of Glory (Heaven) and then there is Perdition (Hell).  I do not believe in eternal hell for Good People.  Our prophet received revelations regarding this and said that redemption is possible for all save those who receive a Perfect Knowledge and still rebel.  That is why the 1/3rd that rebelled before the veil was pulled over our eyes with mortality are doomed to Hell.  They knew who they were acting against.  Yet, even the those who reject Christ and the Holy
Spirit will have a small Glory in the end.  We also do not believe in the finality of punishment... There is room to grow over time... you're just so far behind the others you'll never catch up completely.  I have never liked the "we're the only ones in Heaven" religions.  I think its frankly arrogance to think an imperfect human can comprehend a perfect justice.

For the reference of others...  Here's part of the revelation given to Joseph Smith which is now Section 76 of the Doctrine and Covenants.

The Celestial Glory (The Highest Glory, that of the Sun) -

50 And again we bear record�for we saw and heard, and this is the testimony of the gospel of Christ concerning them who shall come forth in the resurrection of the just�
51 They are they who received the testimony of Jesus, and believed on his name and were baptized after the manner of his burial, being buried in the water in his name, and this according to the commandment which he has given�
52 That by keeping the commandments they might be washed and cleansed from all their sins, and receive the Holy Spirit by the laying on of the hands of him who is ordained and sealed unto this power;
53 And who overcome by faith, and are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, which the Father sheds forth upon all those who are just and true.
54 They are they who are the church of the Firstborn.
55 They are they into whose hands the Father has given all things�
56 They are they who are priests and kings, who have received of his fulness, and of his glory;
57 And are priests of the Most High, after the order of Melchizedek, which was after the order of Enoch, which was after the order of the Only Begotten Son.
58 Wherefore, as it is written, they are gods, even the sons of God�
59 Wherefore, all things are theirs, whether life or death, or things present, or things to come, all are theirs and they are Christ�s, and Christ is God�s.
60 And they shall overcome all things.
61 Wherefore, let no man glory in man, but rather let him glory in God, who shall subdue all enemies under his feet.
62 These shall dwell in the presence of God and his Christ forever and ever.
63 These are they whom he shall bring with him, when he shall come in the clouds of heaven to reign on the earth over his people.
64 These are they who shall have part in the first resurrection.
65 These are they who shall come forth in the resurrection of the just.
66 These are they who are come unto Mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly place, the holiest of all.
67 These are they who have come to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of Enoch, and of the Firstborn.
68 These are they whose names are written in heaven, where God and Christ are the judge of all.
69 These are they who are just men made perfect through Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, who wrought out this perfect atonement through the shedding of his own blood.
70 These are they whose bodies are celestial, whose glory is that of the sun, even the glory of God, the highest of all, whose glory the sun of the firmament is written of as being typical.

The Terrestrial Glory (The Second Glory of the Moon) -

71 And again, we saw the terrestrial world, and behold and lo, these are they who are of the terrestrial, whose glory differs from that of the church of the Firstborn who have received the fulness of the Father, even as that of the moon differs from the sun in the firmament.
72 Behold, these are they who died without law;
73 And also they who are the spirits of men kept in prison, whom the Son visited, and preached the gospel unto them, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh;
74 Who received not the testimony of Jesus in the flesh, but afterwards received it.
75 These are they who are honorable men of the earth, who were blinded by the craftiness of men.
76 These are they who receive of his glory, but not of his fulness.
77 These are they who receive of the presence of the Son, but not of the fulness of the Father.
78 Wherefore, they are bodies terrestrial, and not bodies celestial, and differ in glory as the moon differs from the sun.
79 These are they who are not valiant in the testimony of Jesus; wherefore, they obtain not the crown over the kingdom of our God.
80 And now this is the end of the vision which we saw of the terrestrial, that the Lord commanded us to write while we were yet in the Spirit.

The Telestial Glory (The lesser Glory of the Stars) -

81 And again, we saw the glory of the telestial, which glory is that of the lesser, even as the glory of the stars differs from that of the glory of the moon in the firmament.
82 These are they who received not the gospel of Christ, neither the testimony of Jesus.
83 These are they who deny not the Holy Spirit.
84 These are they who are thrust down to hell.
85 These are they who shall not be redeemed from the devil until the last resurrection, until the Lord, even Christ the Lamb, shall have finished his work.
86 These are they who receive not of his fulness in the eternal world, but of the Holy Spirit through the ministration of the terrestrial;
87 And the terrestrial through the ministration of the celestial.
88 And also the telestial receive it of the administering of angels who are appointed to minister for them, or who are appointed to be ministering spirits for them; for they shall be heirs of salvation.
89 And thus we saw, in the heavenly vision, the glory of the telestial, which surpasses all understanding;
90 And no man knows it except him to whom God has revealed it.

The Outer Darkness (Hell, The total absence of the Light of God) - is reserved for only those who actively work against God. 

25 And this we saw also, and bear record, that an angel of God who was in authority in the presence of God, who rebelled against the Only Begotten Son whom the Father loved and who was in the bosom of the Father, was thrust down from the presence of God and the Son,
26 And was called Perdition, for the heavens wept over him�he was Lucifer, a son of the morning.
27 And we beheld, and lo, he is fallen! is fallen, even a son of the morning!
28 And while we were yet in the Spirit, the Lord commanded us that we should write the vision; for we beheld Satan, that old serpent, even the devil, who rebelled against God, and sought to take the kingdom of our God and his Christ�
29 Wherefore, he maketh war with the saints of God, and encompasseth them round about.
30 And we saw a vision of the sufferings of those with whom he made war and overcame, for thus came the voice of the Lord unto us:
31 Thus saith the Lord concerning all those who know my power, and have been made partakers thereof, and suffered themselves through the power of the devil to be overcome, and to deny the truth and defy my power�
32 They are they who are the sons of perdition, of whom I say that it had been better for them never to have been born;
33 For they are vessels of wrath, doomed to suffer the wrath of God, with the devil and his angels in eternity;
34 Concerning whom I have said there is no forgiveness in this world nor in the world to come�
35 Having denied the Holy Spirit after having received it, and having denied the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves and put him to an open shame.
36 These are they who shall go away into the lake of fire and brimstone, with the devil and his angels�
37 And the only ones on whom the second death shall have any power;
38 Yea, verily, the only ones who shall not be redeemed in the due time of the Lord, after the sufferings of his wrath.
39 For all the rest shall be brought forth by the resurrection of the dead, through the triumph and the glory of the Lamb, who was slain, who was in the bosom of the Father before the worlds were made.
40 And this is the gospel, the glad tidings, which the voice out of the heavens bore record unto us�
41 That he came into the world, even Jesus, to be crucified for the world, and to bear the sins of the world, and to sanctify the world, and to cleanse it from all unrighteousness;
42 That through him all might be saved whom the Father had put into his power and made by him;
43 Who glorifies the Father, and saves all the works of his hands, except those sons of perdition who deny the Son after the Father has revealed him.
44 Wherefore, he saves all except them�they shall go away into everlasting punishment, which is endless punishment, which is eternal punishment, to reign with the devil and his angels in eternity, where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched, which is their torment�
45 And the end thereof, neither the place thereof, nor their torment, no man knows;
46 Neither was it revealed, neither is, neither will be revealed unto man, except to them who are made partakers thereof;
47 Nevertheless, I, the Lord, show it by vision unto many, but straightway shut it up again;
48 Wherefore, the end, the width, the height, the depth, and the misery thereof, they understand not, neither any man except those who are ordained unto this condemnation.
49 And we heard the voice, saying: Write the vision, for lo, this is the end of the vision of the sufferings of the ungodly.