Islamic Caliphate Declared

marcello wrote: You have contradicted yourself. Everything is created by Allah. But ISIS was not created by Allah?? How is that possible?

You will say that as you have no knowledge of things.

Everthing you see and don't see are created by Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala but not organisations like ISIS, The Democratic party, the Republicans, HAMAS etc

marcello wrote: Are you saying the Muslims are cowards? Or that Muslims think it's possible that ISIS is on the right track?

No Muslims are not cowards. Let's just say that they are petrified of killing another Muslim even though we are ALLOWED to seek retribution in Islam, it's called QISAS in Arabic. For example, an eye for an eye, an ear for an ear. Basically what this means is that if a Muslim commits murder without right by killing another Muslim then the family of the victim has the right to seek retribution (like for like).

Like I said earlier, ALL Muslims are told by Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala to fight oppression and tyranny wherever they find it, and in my eyes ISIS and such like are oppressors and tyrants as they kill innocent Muslims and non Muslims. BUT and it is a big BUT ... Muslims will not do this as they think of the Hadith where the Prophet says that killing a Muslim without right is a great sin. But what they fail to see is that ALL Muslims have the right to kill these Muslims of they are causing corruption and tyranny.

If democracy is considered 'not a good thing', then someone must tell me; under what other government can anyone find a better life, and why have so many left their countires to go and live in a democratic society?

marcello wrote: Democracy is incompatible with Islam

Hi marcello,

Therein, is what I see as the problem....

In order for them to move forward... for their societies, and their societal structures, to move forward... they would have to renounce islam... and that is the stumbling block....
they have been enslaved to a detrimental ideology....
lovely people, most of them, but deadly ideology...
one that does not allow them to grow, or to even think for themselves, so that they are at the mercy of whoever they allow to do their thinking for them....
or whoever manages to grab the power to dictate.

unless islam can somehow be interpreted to allow for a democratic society, which best benefits all, in equality and opportunity.
.......


Edited by Caringheart - 13 September 2014 at 3:46pm

Abu Loren wrote: The thing is even if Muslims find other so called Muslims committing atrocities against humanity they will NOT do anything. The reason being that a Muslim is not supposed to kill another human being who prays, fasts and believes in Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. BUT all believing Muslims are told to fight oppression wherever they find it and to fight tyrants who oppress the people. So it's like a catch 20 situation. However my personal opinion is that if the oppressors are causing corruption in the land then ALL Muslims have the obligation to take up arms against the oppressor even if they are calling themselves Muslims. The minute they take up arms against innocent people then they've stopped becoming brothers.

Greetings Abu Loren,

You are correct.  This is the catch-22, and my concern, for the muslim.  How will they not serve evil?  If one feels prevented by his religion from standing up against evil amongst his own.  If he is prevented by his religion from calling out the evil amongst his own.

Isn't this the definition of serving the evil one?  serving his purposes.

asalaam,
Caringheart

...meanwhile they let let the west do their dirty work and yet continue to preach hatred against them....

Isn't this the definition of serving the evil one?  serving his purposes.


Edited by Caringheart - 20 September 2014 at 11:38am