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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote peacemaker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 February 2006 at 10:01am

Salam,

Brother rami, thanks for sharing the quote of Mahatma Gandhi about our beloved Prophet and Messenger Muhammad ( peace and blessings of Allah be upon him ). Mahatma Gandhi is respected as "father of nation-India".

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Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Servetus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 February 2006 at 10:20am

It is not as if the known things are not bad enough in this regard (Wrangel, it's a pleasure to meet you) -who would have thought, for instance, that Danish "cartoons" might have the ability to spark a civil war in Lebanon?- but is anyone here researching, tracking, or otherwise noting that which the Independent here refers to as the "mysteriously unsourced" cartoons, or drawings? 

"In the autumn [2005], events began to move beyond Denmark, albeit unnoticed by Western media. On 14 November, there were protests in Islamabad, Pakistan. And, at some point (the timing is unclear), imams went to the Middle East to lobby leaders there, taking with them the cartoons, reportedly supplemented by far more inflammatory, but mysteriously unsourced, cartoons showing the prophet in acts of ..."

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/article343290.e ce

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wrangel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 February 2006 at 10:49am

Hi Tim, I see no indication that the drawings where posted in this context.

Today or tomorrow will Danish Muslim representatives meet with the Danish paper. Purpose is to formulate a common statement. Initiator to this meeting is Ahmed Akkari, head of umbrella organization for Danish muslims.

Servetus, as for the drawings of unknown sources.

Early January Ahmed Akkari and others travelled to Egypt with the drawings. Other drawings "of unknown origin" was also brought. I assume these are the drawings the Independent refers to. On this trip there where meetings with Muslim leaders.

Ahmed Akkari was critised for bringing the extra drawings, and his motives where questioned in Danish media. He insist that the drawings where kept separate. I believe him. In fact, his very constructive work following this trip has earned him, my deepest felt respect.

He realize that the Danish goverment was not involved in the publishing of the drawings. So he request no appology from the Danish goverment. He request an appology from the newspaper.



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"Standard diplomatic practice will kick in now. The Danish government will protest to the Syrian government, the Syrian government will tighten security on the embassy and that should be the end of that." (Wrangel 4th Feb)

Has standard diplomatic practice kicked in yet?

Why do you insist on pursuing this matter as though it was only a local soap opera (Local serialized TV program)

Come on mate,please, open your eyes. The entire middle east bursting with outrage. Do you really think this anger is exclusively about the 'Cartoon'. Maybe, just maybe, it is the "straw that broke the Camel's back" = just one big insult to much after all the other insults and humiliations.

Please, tell me you are grasping this.

Best wishes Tim

 



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Maryga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 February 2006 at 3:27pm

Wrangel, I appreciate your sincere efforts in calming this storm. In my opinion the Danish PM should openly offer an apology to the Muslims without qualifications with respect to freedom of the press. Yes, freedom of the press has been grossly abused with obscene pictures and writings which in western nations has come to be accepted as normal. This freedom has now been extended without taking into consideration that Muslims do not have the same kind of mentality that the west has become conditioned to.

So I believe the legislation should be qualified with regards to the freedom of the press that provocation and obscenity inciting anger and violence should be avoided, eventhough so far it was understood.The matter is not merely for the Danish Muslims but all Muslims as this has affected all Muslims throughout the world.

Yes, Muslims do not differentiate between politics and religion. In Islam their is no separation of the church and state as in western democracies. Everything that Muslims do and think both in everday life and in the running of the state is intricately linked with Islamic thought and the fear and obedience to God.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wrangel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 February 2006 at 2:31am

Maragya, I fully agree.

Tim, I agree the conflict must be understood in a wider scope.

The current seemingly uncontrollable escalation, creates too much stress and preassure. Combine this with all the wonderful feedback I have received here, which has turned my view of the world up side down. I must now step back and give my regular live a chance. I no longer have the strength to think about this 24 hours per day. I need a break.

It is time to digest all views, and time to let emotions and intellectual understanding catch up. Participating here has fundamentally changed my view, and underrstanding of the Muslim world. All for the better.

I wish you all, all the very best.

Bye for now.

 



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shams Zaman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 February 2006 at 5:20am

Dear brother Wrangel!

I am sorry if any of my questions were offending in nature. I tried to be rhetorical and not to be offending and if I have been unable to maintain the balance I am hopeful that you would forgive me. Indeed you or any other Dane can't be held directly responsible for that. And I was not trying to link Iraq with this issue but I was trying to bring out the hard reality that the action of governments usually harm a normal citizen than the government itself and its not only restricted to Denmark, it also happened in Iraq. I know Denmark is not to be blamed for the war in Iraq, but that due to the actions of West (USA, British, France etc) most Muslims see them as joined togather to harm Muslims intrests and belifs. 

You are absolutely right that the "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" should be within some sort of boundry. It may be very easy to figure out that most of us are very sensitive to our religion, parents and nationhood and these sensitive areas should not be targeted.

Like if I say some thing which would hurt all the Danes it should be considered as the infringement or misuse of the term "Freedom of speech".   Similarly if by some action I am destroying someone's property or causing some sort of physical damage it must not be termed as the "FREEDOM OF ACTION".

There is indeed that we respect the sensitive feelings of each other including the belief system. Like now some newspapers have published the cartoons of Prophet Jesus! This is again adding to our injuries. Jesus and all other Prophets are also as respectful and dear to us as Muhammad. This is indeed the most shameful act of proving that we are not concerned about the religious feelings of Muslims and Christians. Even if Christians don't care about it this will hurt the Muslims in the same manner as the publishing the cartoons previously.

I am very confident that we can resolve the issue by understanding each other sensitive areas to aviod the physocological and physical damage.

Hurting some one emotionally or physically should be termed as the misuse of the freedom of speech or action.

I pray that you suceed in your efforts.

Shams Zaman    Pakistan.

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