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salman
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I feel so good that Dr. Zakir Naik is an Indian !
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It is better to be alone than to be in bad company.
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zulqarnain
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Well I am proud that Allah has given us Muslims such a gift
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And We have not sent you(O Muhammad!) but as a mercy to the worlds. (Al-Quran 21: 107)
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George
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zulqarnain,
The prophet like Moses has been dealt with in other threads. Please go take a look at them. 3. Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah: The Qur'an says that Muhammad was prophesized in the Torah. Isaiah is not in the Torah. Besides that Naik, if this is where you got your information, has taken Isaiah 29:12 out of context. Take a look: Isaiah 29:12
Isaiah 29 is a chapter announcing punishment on Israel. (3) I will encamp against you all around; I will encircle you with towers and set up my siege works against you. (4) Brought low, you will speak from the ground; your speech will mumble out of the dust. Your voice will come ghostlike from the earth; out of the dust your speech will whisper. As part of the punishment God will also take away the ability to read (understand) the holy word because they have disobeyed it for so long. In particular, verse 10 states clearly that the prophets and seers themselves will be put to sleep and no longer receive revelation from the LORD. (9) Be stunned and amazed, blind yourselves and be sightless; be drunk, but not from wine, stagger, but not from beer. (10) The LORD has brought over you a deep sleep: He has sealed your eyes, the prophets; he has covered your heads, the seers. (11) For you this whole vision is nothing but words sealed in a scroll. And if you give the scroll to someone who can read, and say to him, "Read this, please," he
will answer, "I can't; it is sealed." (12) Or if you give the scroll to someone who cannot read, and say, "Read this, please," he will answer, "I don't know how to read." (13) The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men.
Do you think these verses refer to Muhammad? "The heart far from God, with worship that is not according to God's will but according to what men have invented" (v.13) and that his inability to read is part of God's punishment? It is a sign of God putting a deep sleep on the people regarding spiritual matters, so that regardless how knowledgeable they are, they would nevertheless be unable to read (comprehend) what the word of God means. Reading the Bible and interpreting a verse correctly involves reading it in context. |
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George
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zulqarnain, 4. prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old testament: According to Muslims Muhammad was prophesized in the Torah. The Song of Songs is not in the Torah. And, once again, this passage has been misinterpreted. It is not Muhammad. In Chapter 5 a woman is describing her beloved to her maidservants. Please read everything in context. Why would Muhammad's name crop up in her description of her lover? This book is Solomon's ancient love song. You are also incorrect about the Hebrew. If you think that Chapter 5:16, of the Song of Songs, is Muhammad, simply because in the Hebrew the word mahamaddim, "delights," "delightfulnesses," occurs there, and is derived from the same root you are mistaken. The word in Hebrew is a common, and not a proper noun (i.e. not a name), as the use of the plural here shows. The same word occurs again as a common noun in Hosea 9:6,16; 1 Kings 20:6; Lamentations 1:10,11; 2:4; Isaiah 64:10; 2 Chronicles 36:19; Ezekiel 24:16,21,25. In the last passage (Ezekiel 24:16, "the desire of thine eyes") it is applied to a woman, Ezekiel's wife (compare verse 18), and to the sons and daughters of the idolatrous Jews (verse 25). It would be just as wise to apply the word to Muhammad here as in the Song of Songs. In Arabic many words are formed from the same root , but they do not on that account denote Muhammad. A Muslim might just as well assert that Muhammad's name occurred in Surah 1, Al Fatihah, verse 1: Al hamdo lillahi Rabbi 'lalamin ("Praise be to God, the Lord of the worlds"). In the same way a Hindu might assert that the name of Ram or some other of his deities was mentioned in the Qur'an, because in Sura 30, Ar-Rum, verse 1, we read " the Romans have been overcome," where Arabic dictionaries give "Rum" as if derived from the root "ram".
Song of Songs 5:16 shyr hshyrym 5,16 his mouth is sweets Hkw mmtqym and all of him is delights wklw mHmdym this is my love zh dwdy and this is my darling wzh r`y daughters of Jerusalem bnwt yrwshlm Song of Songs 5:16 is no more a reference to Muhammad than it is to Mumattaq or to David.
Because Arabic and Hebrew share a cognate word [Hmd], there are of course several other similar occurrences in the Hebrew scriptures. The New Bantam-Megiddo Hebrew & English Dictionary lists... Hmd (yHmwd) p covet, lust after Hmd z delight, loviness Hmdh n desire, object of desire
Hmdnwt covetousness, lustfulness Sorry, it's not Muhammad as you can plainly see. |
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George
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I've read a lot of Dr. Naik's articles. Looks like he has copied some of Deedat's work. Naik has made many mistakes. Google: Misquotations and misinformation propagated by Zakir Naik and you will see what I mean. |
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George
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BMZ, When are you going to get around to answering my question? Thanks. |
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BMZ
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George, I have already given the answer. Please read all my posts carefully, regarding my comments on John and my query on what other gospel writers said about the same. The answer has also been given in response to the post by Zulqarnain. The NT and the OT confirm that. The Spirit of Truth cannot be the Holy Spirit. You should be able to differentiate between the two. Muhammad was that Spirit of Truth. |
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George
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No you haven't answered my questions. Here they are again: John 14:16-18, (16) "And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you forever�(17) "The Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you." (18) "I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you." Explain how this could be Muhammad. Jesus says that his disciples know him. Did Jesus disciples know Muhammad? Jesus also says that the Comforter dwells with the disciples. How did Muhammad dwell with the disciples? The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth is God, BMZ. Now answer my questions above and we will go on to the next one. |
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