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Today's study class:

After preaching was over, it was a joy to start the question time. I had brought along my Jewish Scriptures according to Masoretic Text and I showed them the "spirit of God" while the Christian OT had "Spirit of God".

Instead of addressing my point that the spirit of God hovered over the waters, only meant that God was watching the creation, I was told that this is the First indication of the Dual nature of the One God of OT, who had not yet become the Triune God of the NT.  

I said, "If there were a Di-une or a Bi-une God then the Jews would have not been extremely monotheistic and the Jews do not believe in such concepts."

The answers, if any, would come perhaps next week. My next question was:"How old was Joseph when he married Mary?"

The answer was "Joseph was 80 and Mary was hardly 14." My next question was: "Were James and others the real children of Mary from Joseph?" The answer was: "They were Joseph's children from his other wife." I found this answer at least sensible that no man touched my sweet and noble mother Mary and she remained pure.

More, next week!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote herjihad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 June 2006 at 9:05am

I found this answer at least sensible that no man touched my sweet and noble mother Mary and she remained pure.

Bismillah,

People are NOT impure because they have had sex.   We make a ritual purification to separate our actions and sancitify the salat, but our souls remain pure as long as we obey our Lord or return to Him in repentence.

How about, "She remained virginal"?

Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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BMZ,

�Instead of addressing my point that the spirit of God hovered over the waters, only meant that God was watching the creation, I was told that this is the First indication of the Dual nature of the One God of OT, who had not yet become the Triune God of the NT. � 

Welcome, my friend, to a corner of the complex, cosmogonical world of �Emanationism� and, ultimately, if your studies in Christianity progress, to the world of primarily Greek (neo-Platonic, or even Philonic) speculative theogony.  Origen rocks!   

For example (and disregarding Ein Soph for the moment), that the Monad (1) split into a Duad (2) and became a Triad (thus forming the upper sephirot) is visually, by means of diagram, explained here (though the text is in dispute).  One will note the similarities between this diagram and that of the historic �shield of the Trinity� posted elsewhere:

http://www.answers.com/topic/sephirot

�I said, "If there were a Di-une or a Bi-une God then the Jews would have not been extremely monotheistic and the Jews do not believe in such concepts."�

Leaving the problematic St. Paul out of the discussion for the moment, perhaps you have not heard of either Philo of Alexandria or Moses de Lyon  ?

�The answers, if any, would come perhaps next week.�

I cannot wait to hear!  Please do keep us posted. 

Best regards,

Servie (goes to Sunday School with BMZ)

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herjihad,

"How about, "She remained virginal"?"

That is more beautiful than the way I said.

BR & Salaams

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Dear All,

Sorry for the belated report from the 17th Sorey:

After the lecture, most of it was quite familiar to me, all present sang some Hymns from the Psalms.

For a moment, I was stunned when I heard. It seemed like most of the words were coming from Qur'aan translated in English. What struck me  was that the Hymn was praising ONLY God, The Most High, which is also the Title of a Surah in Qur'aan. There was no mention of Father, Son or the Holy Ghost in there. It was all Praise The Lord God Almighty, the Most High.

After, it was over, I asked, "You just praised the Lord God, The Most High and I am glad you did. Did David sing anything about Jesus, foretelling about him?" They replied,"Not that we have heard of but we will look into it. There must be something on this."

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Dear all,

Today there was no study but all of us had a good spicy BBQ at the pit but after every Hi and Hello with new folks, there was no discussion on kidneys and livers but only religion.

I was asking my favourite question which is how best one could describe Trinity. There was one gentleman who put it this way:

"You see God sometimes likes to be an Spirit, so He becomes a Spirit. Sometimes God wants to be like a son and when God is in serious mood, He goes back into the God mode."

I am still trying to digest that.  

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