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Anatolian
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Posted: 19 December 2007 at 12:11am |
...are the Catholic Church and Europe!
Read Jimmy Carter's book on Israel and the Palestinian Question. I'll save you guys the read and post the most important of the many issues he discussed. He basically stated from his administration up to the present one, not one Arab/Muslim leader ever brought up Palestine. Not one! Neither Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Iraq, or even Iran! They don't care and they never will. All this screaming and yelling not even Saudia Arabia (which enjoys a huge economical benefit from Israel). Before you attack the West and before you attack the Pope and his followers as a whole. Europe just raised close to $8 Billion for the Palestinian people. As for the Catholic Church, which I found to be truly symbolic and basically worth more then any financial donation ever. The Pope this year refused to meet with Condoleeza Rice. His office stated that there is nothing for us to discuss while you continue to groundlessly bombard Iraq and Afghanistan! Can you imagine that? Another act that truly brought tears to my eyes was when Pope John Paul 2 decided he wanted to visit a true refugee camp in the West Bank. The Palestinian Authority actually begged him not to go on grounds for his safety. The Pope decided to go either way. And what happened? The Palestinians rejoiced and embraced him as true Arabs with all hospitality and love. They opened up there homes, whatever home left of it really. On unpaved roads and dilapitated building the leader of the Catholic faithfull, against the wishes of the Authority visited those who nobody wanted to visit. No Arab or Muslim leader, from the Saudia king all the way across Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and even Iran, would not go but he did. All this effort you put in pointing your silly little fingers at Christianity and the West know this. Palestine and millions of Muslim orphans and families are surviving by the good grace of Christians. Maybe if Muslims truly loved one another then Pakistanis and Afghans should raise money for Palestinian children and not Jihad (that article I can gladly post here if you wish). Maybe if Saddam Hussein, who embraced the Palestinian cause, would have sent more money there instead of building his worthless palaces all across the Tigris, (ironically being used by American military officials) or how about Saudia Arabia... I wouldn't know where to start with them anyways. God Bless. |
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martha
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Anatolian, you said:- All this effort you put in pointing your silly little fingers at Christianity and There are many muslims who do not point the finger at Christians. As there are many Christians who do not point the finger at muslims. If fingers are to point anywhere they should be directed at those in our own faith. I try to respect everyone regardless of their religion, race, or colour. At the end of the day we all belong to God/Allah, and we should be making the world more peaceful for all. The British are often critised for the wrong they have done in the past, with little emphasis on the good they do now. Whilst politics generally controls everything and everybody everywhere, the world has little chance to live peacefully and in harmony with one another. Stripping everyone of their position and pride would make us all equal in the eyes of God/Allah. I have great respect for religious leaders including the Pope, he unifies his people. Many Christians fail to understand Islam. Many muslims fail and often dont try to understand Christianity. That is their choice. But none of us can hide from God/Allah. On one thing we can all agree, that is we all will stand before Him and answer for our deeds. The Allah I worship now, is exactly the same God I worshipped before. And He knows me very well, understands me, and guides me. I know that many Christians do many many good things for others, especially muslims. I am not so blinkered to see this fact. Christians will always be Christian with others. So thankyou. |
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Salams_wife
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Anatolian, obviously you have a long way to go before you truly understand the Palestinian problem. I have read the book you mentioned as well as done a great deal of study into this matter. Evangelical Christians have been the largest supporters outside of Israel for building the illegal settlements. The people who live in these settlements steal the land from the Palestinians, bulldoze their homes down and force them into these refugee camps. Also, what research have you done into the aid Arab countries have given? Just because it doesn't always reach our media here in America doesn't meant the arab countries aren't helping the Palestinians though I admit they could do more. Just yesterday it was announced Saudi would be giving $500 million. Before you speak you need to do more than read one book. Also, that book is very pro palestinian and does not side with the Christians hardly at all. I am not sure where you got your view point. Here is another book for you to read "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" by John J. Mearcheimer and Stephen M. Walt. This book can help you to get even more insight. It just came out this year so it is up to date. |
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Anatolian
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Excuse me I don't remember defending Israel in my post neither do I
defend the settlements. I believe Palestinians have a right to demand what belongs to them. They are the ones who were forcefully removed to create a state for a people who barely share any common roots. I know more of the conflict there then you Mrs. Wife. Your attacking me for really no reason. I stated that Palestinians receive more aid from non- muslims then many of you would like to think. I know all about the secret deals being made by Syria, Lebanon, and most of the Arab world who are still in a "war" state with Israel. And of course the open dialogues and economies of countries like Jordan, Egypt, and Saudia Arabia never help the Palestinian cause. You want my opinion about that affair. At this point the Jews are there to stay no matter what anybody else wishes. Jerusalem is to become under a Jewish, Christian, and Muslim leadership, stop settlements in Jerusalem and the West Ban and return the land that was forcefully taken and the Israelis can keep the ones they purchased legally. At this point this is the only way to go. Evangelicals are not helping I never said I supported what they do. They are forcefully bringing the "end" of days by reestablishing a Jewish state in the land that was once called Israel. What's 500 million for the Saudis really? If they stopped funding Jihad infused madrasas in Pakistan and Africa and spent it on funding real schools and hospitals and actually buying back the land even (everything has a price) wouldn't that help the Palestinian lot? |
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Anatolian
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Martha I comply agree with your statements. At the end we are all the same
brothers and sisters. I truly believe that because that is what Christianity teaches me. Muslims and Jews, Buddhists and Hindus, Seikhs and Athiests. We can learn from each other. But it seems like this is a one sided view because from what I hear American and European schools do teach about Islam exactly the way Muslims would want them to. But I can say, out of experiance, that Muslim dominated countries teach there children that Christians believe in three gods, that they digest there food in seven intestines while a muslim uses only one. To top it off if there is a Christian in the classroom he is forced to stand there and take it. Yes I mean stand there while everybody else can mock him. Thats what I went through being raised in a "secular" Muslim state. And from what I hear it still goes on. |
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Sign*Reader
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Anatolian
Newbie I will be brief-- if the Muslims were Muslims and Arabs were free, there would be no Israeli problem. The Saudis king will donate to the devil only if US would say so! The creation of Israel was a clear cut final surrender of the Muslims' realm and Muslims are in a twilight of their existence in neo colonial diaspora. What part of the Israeli creation plan was hidden from the Saudis? Don't under estimate the power of the Pope when comparing with Saudis, didn't you notice the so called king paid a visit to his office recently to listen to his lecture about the Catholics in KSA! And what is KSA? It is a play ground of the Anglo American corporate expats. And so far the religious visitation of other Muslims are concerned happen as if going to a big brother state! Iraq had gotten away for a while but alas to their grief and misfortune! Edited by Sign*Reader |
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I think you must be confused in some statements.
1) I see nothing wrong with the Pope bringing up the misery faced by Christians working and living in Saudia Arabia. Why are Muslims free to live as Muslims in majority Christian West but Christians in the Muslim heartland are persecuted. 2) It's dangerous to state that Jerusalem is a Muslim realm. It is Jewish and Christian too and they have every right to it as a Muslim. |
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Sign*Reader
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As I said what ever US would tell them. US told them to fund jihad against the Soviets, they did so when US told them to stop they did that. Now the US is telling their dictator in place ( as per the Machiavellian edict chapter V) to shut down the madrases not funded by Saudis but the local charities by the default of the US driven market economy's plans that undid the state funded schools if you done your homework! The new private schools became out of reach of the pobre Paqueistinos. You mentioned Africa but forgot apartheid and the rest is LOL |
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