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    Posted: 25 June 2008 at 3:01am
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The Islam you don't hear about
25th June, 2008

After the 9/11 attacks, Americans put out a call for moderate Islam. Many Muslims answered that call, but few Americans heard them. Early this month, I travelled to Asia to see what Islam looks like on the ground there, and to listen to what Muslims themselves have to say about their religion, terrorism and the United States. What I found surprised me.

I went to Asia because Islam is by no means a Middle Eastern phenomenon. In fact, Asia is home to most of the world's Muslims. I focused on Indonesia because there are more Muslims in Indonesia than in any other country, roughly three times as many as in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Iraq combined.

But what makes Indonesia strategically important to the United States is not simply its huge Muslim population (roughly 200 million) but the fact that Indonesian Muslims are by no means anti-Western.

There are fundamentalists in Indonesia, to be sure, but they account for roughly one in every 10 citizens there. The overwhelming majority of Indonesia's Muslims are moderates, and about one in five are progressives.

Fundamentalists typically want to see their countries follow the path of Saudi Arabia or Iran in instituting an Islamic legal code referred to as Shariah.

Moderates and progressives typically favour the separation of mosque and state, and they enthusiastically affirm democracy. Progressives distinguish themselves from moderates by speaking out more forcefully for religious pluralism and equal rights for women, and by drawing more generously on the thinking of intellectuals from Europe, Latin America and the USA.

Although scholars might quibble about these definitions and the portion of the Indonesian public to assign to each, what is plain is that in Indonesia fundamentalism is fringe. A survey released in May by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute observes that "Islamist parties have failed to attract votes" in Indonesia, which "today has one of the world's most successful track records in combating terrorism."

The Muslims I spoke with during my visit to Yogyakarta, a cultural and intellectual centre of this vast island archipelago, came from both the moderate and progressive wings. All are eagerly adapting Islam to local circumstances, mixing its ancient traditions with those of their own. They see no conflict between Islam and civil society.

During my days in Indonesia, I did not see a single woman covered from head to foot in the chador so characteristic of Iran, and in the rural areas I visited many women did not wear any head covering at all. According to "Who Speaks for Islam?" a Gallup poll of Muslims worldwide released earlier this year, 88 per cent of Indonesians believe that a woman should be allowed to do any job for which she is qualified.

In Indonesia, I heard about female imams (prayer leaders) and about marriages between Christians and Muslims. Repeatedly, I was told that Muslims reject any coercion in religion, that they view not only Jews and Christians as fellow "people of the book" but Hindus and Buddhists as well.

Religious pluralism, especially, seems a key concept here, where the influences of Buddhism, Hinduism and Christianity have wafted across Indonesia's 17,000-plus islands for centuries. Why did God create the world? According to the principle of an Islamic school in Yogyakarta, it's because God prefers multiplicity to unity, because "difference is good."

The Muslims I encountered scoff at any notion of a "clash of civilizations" between Islam and the West. Any clash of civilizations that exists, they tell me, is between fundamentalists of all faiths and their liberal and moderate opponents. And in that clash, the vast majority of Americans are in common cause with the vast majority of Indonesians.

During my visit to Indonesia, Muslims pointed out many important commonalities between our two countries. Both are huge geographically. Both have ethnically and racially diverse populations. Both provide constitutional guarantees for religious freedom.

Barack Obama clinched the Democratic Party nomination while I was in Indonesia, and everyone I met wanted to talk about him. Indonesians are rooting for Obama not because he is some secret Muslim (they know he is a Christian) but because he spent some of his formative years in their capital city of Jakarta.

One of my Indonesian interviewees, citing a local tradition of how family networks can be extended not only through marriage but also through political regimes, went so far as to suggest that if Obama is elected, Americans and Indonesians will become kin.

During my interviews, I always asked what Indonesians would like to convey to Americans about Islam. Repeatedly, my interlocutors returned to the question of war and peace. "Islam is not about violence," they told me. "Islam is not terrorism. Islam is peace."

This did not surprise me. What did surprise me was how American all these people sounded. I heard repeatedly about equality and democracy and humanitarianism and tolerance and reason and human rights, as if I were speaking with 21st century reincarnations of America's Founders. When I asked Zuli Qodir, an intellectual of a highly popular moderate group called Muhammadiyah, what Islam is all about, he began with, "Islam is justice. And equality. And democracy."

Just before I left, a progressive student activist in Yogyakarta went so far as to assert that in some respects, "the American people are more Islamic than the Indonesian people." While political corruption is endemic in Indonesia, he explained, Americans respect the rule of law, viewing such corruption as something to be rooted out rather than something to be tolerated.

Americans have good reasons to be apprehensive about Islam. Islamic radicals bombed two nightclubs in Bali, Indonesia, in October 2002, killing 202 people. And the men who hijacked three jets on 9/11 shouted "Allahu Akbar" ("God is great") as they steered those planes toward their targets.

But jihadists are one thing, and ordinary Muslims are quite another. Americans of good will know this. What we also need to know is that in the fight against Islamic radicalism, one of our key allies could be Islam itself.

Stephen Prothero is the chair of the department of religion at Boston University and the author of Religious Literacy: What Every American Needs to Know And Doesn't. He wrote this article for The USA Today

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 June 2008 at 12:10am
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Hi Angel

"Indonesian Muslims are by no means anti-Western"

This statement assumes that to dislike or in fact Hate what America, Israel, Britain...etc are doing to the muslim world in fact the entire world is the equivalent of being anti western. I live in the west i dont hate the west but i certainly hate the wrong things that are going on am i now anti western heck anyone who didnt vote for bush in America can be labeled anti western according to that generalisation.....its not a reasonable one or one that can remotely be true.

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Fundamentalists typically want to see their countries follow the path of Saudi Arabia or Iran in instituting an Islamic legal code referred to as Shariah."

that is just ignorant, all moderate muslims want to see shariah law implemented, what they dont want to see is the extreme version that Saudi arabia has implemented, which doesn't imply rigid vs lenient equate to wrong and right but rather that saudi Ulumah have got it wrong on some very important issues, according to pretty much everyone else, its not an if/or scenario.

finally anyone who doesn't want to see shariah law implemented in an islamic country you can pretty much label a "progressive" the nice word for saying misguided.

"Moderates and progressives typically favour the separation of mosque and state"

This is just clueless, moderates dont want to see imbecile clerics who's popularity is solely based upon the amount of groups they hate in charge of running important things. So i too would be holding back on who gets to implement shariah law.

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and they enthusiastically affirm democracy"

im in favour of an islamic democracy which upholds shariah law, since when has that ever been wrong in islam, the Khalifah system is not enshrined in Islams holy book its just practical. Look at the ottoman khalifah they took bureaucracy to a hole other level and essentially taught it to the west [formally known as imperial powers].

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Although scholars might quibble about these definitions and the portion of the Indonesian public to assign to each, what is plain is that in Indonesia fundamentalism is fringe."

that pretty much sums it up well but lets be clear about how wrong these labels are, the article is not even close in using them.

"They see no conflict between Islam and civil society."

i understand the need to say this and essentially the auther is right in the context of the article but the reality of it is that it is analogous to going to a mans house clandestinely cause him to vehemently bicker between his wife and children then later on walking up to his face and dare to look down on him for not being capable of properly running his household.

I could just as easily say we turned on the light in the dark ages, [as apposed to "islam" which is a far less personal and more noble statement], if your wondering why i went this far its the authers use of the word civil and what that is saying about muslims in general.

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The Muslims I encountered scoff at any notion of a "clash of civilizations" between Islam and the West. Any clash of civilizations that exists, they tell me, is between fundamentalists of all faiths and their liberal and moderate opponents."

I think thats well said, Even islamic prophecy states that the next world war or rather the final one wont be on religious grounds and that muslims and christians will be fighting side by side. Extremists have what can be labeled as preemptive hate due a time period that will come and pass after this great war....the time of the mahdi and Isa, a time when no other religion except the true religion will exist. Essentially they say that all other religions will perish,the hadith explicitly and implicitly [this is the part the "extremists" as apposed to fundamentalist ignore] state all people will be converted to islam rather than annihilated so even then there is no prophetic justification or imperative for this hate they have to anyone that isnt them really.

" rooting for Obama not because he is some secret Muslim(they know he is a Christian)"

LOL to be fair the republicans spread that rumor it had nothing to do with us.



Edited by rami - 26 June 2008 at 12:16am
Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 June 2008 at 7:21am
Thanks rami, good points.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 June 2008 at 8:01am
People in the west have turned "fundamentalist" into a bad word.  I believe that most Muslims are fundamentalists, as we all believe in the fundamentals of Islam.  Just as most Christians are fundamentalists and most Jews are fundamentalists. 
 
Just as the word jihad has taken on a very twisted meaning in western media, so has fundamentalist. Not to mention Islamist. What does that even mean? There is no such word in Islam yet the media use it everyday...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 June 2008 at 5:37pm

"Fundamentalist" is generally considered to be the opposite of "progressive".  By that definition, fundamentalists are therefore opposed to progress, which is why it's considered a bad word in the West.

Everyone has certain fundamental principles that they adhere to, but the difference is how much of your beliefs and practices you consider "fundamental" and how much room you leave for personal choice or social progress.  For fundamentalists, virtually everything about life is fundamental and therefore not open to negotiation or change.  I think you would agree that Islam is more all-encompassing in this regard than Christianity, Judaism, etc.  I think it's fair to say that Islam is more susceptible to fundamentalism than most other religions.

It's true that "jihad" has taken on a twisted meaning, but I don't think you can blame the media for that.  Try blaming all the Jihadist movements who engage in violence and terrorism.  The media is just reporting their activities.

"Islamist" may be an invented word, but I think you should be glad of it.  An Islamist is one who perverts the teachings of Islam for their own political and military purposes, usually employing very un-Islamic tactics.  If we could get people to say "Islamist terrorist" instead of "Muslim terrorist" I think it would help a lot.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 June 2008 at 5:42pm
Originally posted by rami rami wrote:

im in favour of an islamic democracy which upholds shariah law...
Isn't "Islamic democracy" an oxymoron?  Democracy means "the people rule", whereas Islam says that Allah rules.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 June 2008 at 8:27pm
"I think you would agree that Islam is more all-encompassing in this regard than Christianity, Judaism, etc."
 
I would say that Christians and Jews fail to adhere to the basic tenets of their religion more than Muslims do.  The basic tenets themselves have not changed merely the people who claim to follow them.
 
What is a Jihadist movement? Another twisted meaning....  I practice jihad every single day. I struggle with myself to keep from sinning, feeling envy, hatred, etc....  that is jihad.
 
How would Islamist terrorist help? It is denigrating Islam. Why not just say terrorist, period?  When terrorists of the Christian persuasion commit acts of terrorism I don't see the media calling them Christian terrorists, Christianists, Holy warriors, etc....  They are called terrorists... 
 
I think less ignorance and more education might help.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 June 2008 at 8:49pm
Enclosed is a list of "Significant Terrorsist Acts" since 1961 composed by the U.S. Government. These are acts that they consider significant, there are many more that are not listed, but I assumed that everyone would agree this is a valid list.  
 
Korea, India, Colombia, Greece, Spain, the IRA, etc, etc.... and no mention of their religious affliliations.  
 
 
What I didn't find on this list were Isreali(or should I say Jewish?) terrorist attacks such as the massacre at the Dome of the Rock in 1981, the massacres at Sabre and Shatila in 1982 carried out by Christian and Jewish forces, the assassination of Yitzak Rabin, the attack of the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967, etc...  Interesting...
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