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jr87 
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 Topic: seals on their hearts/eyesPosted: 09 June 2009 at 7:01am |
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surah 2- line 7.
god sets a seal on the unbelievers hearts/eyes. I don't get this. if god has capabilities to do all things, why would he do this if he wants his creation to worship him... because we all know where the 'unbelievers' go. so again, why would god want this why would he not intervene. and what about those people who are just skeptical. i mean- i will be honest, if someone in this day was preaching things like he was a prophet, etc.. we would think that person is crazy and losing it in the head- so why is it not unreasonable to be skeptical and just not accept something without question. to me that seems the most logical thing and appropriate thing 2 do- so what about the people back in the day, what clear signs other than what these people were saying through speech- |
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Verse 6 explains why Allah does this. He is referring to people who have already rejected faith, who have already rejected Him and who have already shown their arrogance and pride. He is basically saying to the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that they have already made up their minds and no amount of preaching to them will convince them to change (...whether
thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.)
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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)
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Natassia
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It would seem that I am doomed. When I ask Muslims what happened in my case, they label me as "close-minded" and "arrogant."
I have always held a belief in God. I wasn't always sure of who He is, but I did always believe in God's existence. It was as natural to me as being a heterosexual. Sometimes I would have doubts, but never anything permanent.
Anyway, when I was at my lowest moment in life: broken and humbled--I sought God on my knees in tears. He comforted me, and it was not long before I was actively searching to know more about Him in the religious scriptures. I purchased a Quran and a copy of the Lost Scriptures (Gnostic and apocryphal writings), as well as a JPS Tanakh. I already had an NIV Bible at home (what American doesn't?!)
Anyway, my eyes were "opened" when I read the gospels in the New Testament (despite having tried the Quran first.) I had difficulty making it past surah 4, and my stomach had already turned queasy halfway through surah 2. All of a sudden, the epistles of Paul (which had always been so confusing to me) made sense.
And for the first time in my life, I understood what it meant to truly LOVE God.
So, I'm wondering what it was that happened to me if the Quran is supposed to be perfectly clear and a guidance to those who seek God?
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Am sorry for being late. I did type its answer but had forgotten to post here. The Glorious Qur�an says: �As to those who reject Faith it is the same to them Whether thou warn them or do not warn them;They will not believe. �Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing and on their eyes is a veil Great is the penalty they incur.� [Al-Qur�an 2:6-7] 2. The word qalb in Arabic means heart as well as intelligence The Arabic word qalb used in these verses means the heart. It also means intelligence. Thus the above verses also mean that Allah has put a seal on the intelligence of the unbelievers and they will not understand and believe. 3. In the Arabic language heart is also used as a centre of understanding In the Arabic language the word �heart� is also used to connote one�s centre of understanding. 4. Several words used in English language whose literal meaning is different Even in English language there are several words which are used to explain something, though the literal meaning of these words are different. 5. In the English language heart is the centre of love and emotion In the English language, heart means an organ in the body which pumps blood. The same word heart is also used for the centre of thought, love and emotion. Today we know that brain is the centre of thought, love and emotion. Yet while expressing emotions a person is likely to say �I love you from the bottom of my heart�. Imagine a scientist telling his wife, �I love you from the bottom of my heart� and the wife replies, �Don�t you even know the basics of science, that the brain is responsible for the emotions and not the heart? In fact you should say �I love you from the bottom of my brain.� 6. Arabs know that the word heart in Arabic is also used for centre of thought and understanding No Arab will ever ask the question as to why Allah has sealed the hearts of the unbelievers because he knows that in this context it refers to the centre of thought, understanding and emotions. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).� [Al-Qur�an 2:6-7] These verses do not refer to common Kuffar who reject faith. The Arabic words used are al-lazina kafaroo, those who are bent on rejecting the truth. It will not make any difference to such people whether you warn them or not, they will not believe. Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing and on their eyes is a veil. It is not because Allah has set a seal on their hearts that these kuffar do not understand and believe, but it is the vice-versa. It is because these kuffar are bent on rejecting the truth and whether you warn them or not they will not believe, that Allah has set a seal on their hearts. Therefore Allah is not to blame, but these kuffaar who are bent on rejecting the faith are responsible. Suppose an experienced teacher, before the final examinations, predicts that a particular student will fail in the exams, since the student is very mischievous, not attentive in class and does not do his homework. If after the student appears for the examination, he fails, who is to be blamed for the student failing: the teacher or the student? Just because the teacher predicted, it does not mean that the teacher is to be blamed but the student himself is responsible for his failure. Similarly Allah (swt) knows in advance that there are some people who are bent on rejecting the faith and Allah has put a seal on their hearts. Thus these non-Muslims themselves are responsible for rejecting the faith and not Allah (swt).This answer is taken from Faq by Zakir Naik. Hope you got your answer. |
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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martha
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Posted: 21 July 2009 at 9:44am |
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some of us are a lot like cement:- all mixed up and permanently set
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Natassia
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This is what doesn't make sense. Why should accepting "the truth" be contingent on whether it is the "right time for me"? The Truth should ALWAYS be the Truth, whether it is convenient for me or not. Islam should have been at its clearest when I was searching for the Truth and relying on God's help to guide me.
So what happened?
Was I misguided? Did Allah purposely blind me? I never explicitely denied Islam until AFTER this experience. Now I deny it in its entirety.
So, has Allah sealed my heart? How am I supposed to get it unsealed if I have been trusting in God throughout this entire spiritual journey? Why would He do this to me when all I wanted was to know Him and believe in Him?
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honeto
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Natassia,
I am curious to know what in particular turned you away. You mentioned sura 2 and 4. Can you point out what really was the reason that you did not go any further. I have seen and heard of people that melt, cry, humble and end up squeezing the Quran after coming in contact with it first time.
So I am really wondering what was your stuck point?
I understand, all of us would not end up in the same place, based on choices we make, and some of us adopt so opposite life styles. Some commit things that need to be accounted for, some do good deeds that need to be rewareded. So yes we all will not end up in one place for sure, but really cannot comprehend what got you to close Quran. Please bring it up one by one. I believe it is each other that we learn from the most, very little from ourselves.
I am equally curious to know why you started to read the Quran from the start, while the Bible from almost at the end as you mentioned the Gospels?
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Natassia
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Well, let's start with Surah 2. I had an issue with these verses:
[ Pickthal 2:53] And when We gave unto Moses the Scripture and the criterion (of right and wrong), that ye might be led aright.When I read this, I figured the Scripture = the Torah.
[Pickthal 2:62] Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.
When I read this, I figured that anyone who believes in one God, judgment day, and does right will not be sent to hell. [Pickthal 2:109] Many of the people of the Scripture long to make you disbelievers after your belief, through envy on their own account, after the truth hath become manifest unto them. Forgive and be indulgent (toward them) until Allah give command. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things. This verse now makes it seem like most Christians and Jews are actually doing wrong by encouraging conversion to their religion...when the previous verses I mentioned makes it seem like their beliefs were okay to begin with. (At this point in my first reading of the Quran, I started getting confused.) [Pickthal 2:113] And the Jews say the Christians follow nothing (true), and the Christians say the Jews follow nothing (true); yet both are readers of the Scripture. Even thus speak those who know not. Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that wherein they differ. Now, at this point I knew something was up. Both the Jews and the Christians follow the Tanakh. The Jews do not say that the Christians follow nothing true, and the Christians do not say that the Jews follow nothing true.
[Pickthal 2:116] And they say: Allah hath taken unto Himself a son. Be He glorified! Nay, but whatsoever is in the heavens and the earth is His. All are subservient unto Him.
When I read this, I just knew that they were referring to Jesus who the Christians consider to be the Son of God. But, to be perfectly honest with you, I was willing to accept that verse 116 was correct and God didn't really have a Son. So, this verse simply established in my mind that either Jesus is the Son of God or he isn't, and according to the Quran he isn't.
[Pickthal 2:136] Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered. When I read this, I assumed that the Quran was now confirming the Torah. I wasn't sure what was meant by "that which...Jesus received" since I had never heard of Jesus receiving anything. However, I simply took this in stride since I was willing to be open-minded about anything regarding Jesus.
[Pickthal 2:190] Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.
[Pickthal 2:191] And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. [Pickthal 2:192] But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [Pickthal 2:193] And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers. [Pickthal 2:194] The forbidden month for the forbidden month, and forbidden things in retaliation. And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you. Observe your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who ward off (evil). Okay, I felt a little queasy about this one. Here God is actually sanctioning fighting. I could understand the self-defense part. But I didn't understand the "persecution is worse than slaughter" part.
[Pickthal 2:216] Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.
[Pickthal 2:217] They question thee (O Muhammad) with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great (transgression), but to turn (men) from the way of Allah, and to disbelieve in Him and in the Inviolable Place of Worship, and to expel His people thence, is a greater with Allah; for persecution is worse than killing. And they will not cease from fighting against you till they have made you renegades from your religion, if they can. And whoso becometh a renegade and dieth in his disbelief: such are they whose works have fallen both in the world and the Hereafter. Such are rightful owners of the Fire: they will abide therein. Here it says that warfare is ordained. I was having a hard time trying to apply this to my own life. I couldn't understand why I should have to go to war. But, I decided that if it was to defend my family, I could do it. Some time later, after learning about the existence of Tafsirs and the Hadith, I went back and researched the context of 2:217. I was shocked by what I read.
[ Pickthal 2:223] Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will (one day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers, (O Muhammad).As a woman, I had a hard time accepting that I am a tilth for my husband to cultivate as he wants when he wants.
[Pickthal 2:230] And if he hath divorced her (the third time), then she is not lawful unto him thereafter until she hath wedded another husband. Then if he (the other husband) divorce her it is no sin for both of them that they come together again if they consider that they are able to observe the limits of Allah. These are the limits of Allah. He manifesteth them for people who have knowledge.
Okay, this one weirded me out. I could not understand why, if a man is foolish and divorces his wife three times, he can't marry his ex-wife until she marries someone else and he divorces her. I guess I can see this as a deterrent for a man to frequently divorce his wife on a whim...but what if the woman truly wanted to take her husband back and didn't want to have to sleep with another man? This seems to take a woman's options away. |
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You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life. (John 5:39-40)
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