Fate

All praise is for Allah swt, We praise Him and seek His help and forgiveness

We were discussing fate/ destiny. Happened to read a new concept, "administered fate" posted by our sister - Nur. As we were going off-topic. so thought to continue here.

Though i may not go deeper into its discussion, as its not allowed. Am just sharing few hadiths, which show that there's no such concept of administered fate. What do you say sister, of Umm Salamah, of whom Chrysalis shared ?

Here are the hadiths

Abu Dawud collected this Hadith from Ahmad bin Hanbal. Imam Ahmad recorded that `Abdullah bin `Umar said that the Messenger of Allah said,"Every thing is predetermined, even laziness and intelligence".

There is also an authentic Hadith in which the Messenger of Allah said,Seek the help of Allah and do not succumb to feebleness. And when an affliction strikes you, say, "Allah has decreed this, and He does as He wills.'' Do not say, "Had I done this or that, this or that would have happened, because "if'' opens the door wide for the work of Ash-Shaytan

If we believe in administered faith, we may get these sorts of whisperings, is n't it ? While when i leave those strivings which you called as administered faith, as mere strivings in the way of Allah swt, and the results as from Allah swt, then its very simple.


In a Hadith from `Abbas, the Messenger of Allah said to him,Know that if the Ummah were to all gather their strength to cause you some benefit that Allah has not decreed for you, they will never be able to bring you that benefit. And if they gather their strength to bring a harm to you that Allah has not written on you, they will never be able to harm you. The pens have gone dry and the Books of Record have been closed.

How will my administered fate work, when Allah swt already ordains. Can you help me to understand this concept  under the light of above hadith ?

As Salamu Alaikum,Nur and Seek.(Alhamduillah!)good job both of you.What goodness rewarded upon you is from Allah, and what hardship afflicted upon you is from yourself.MashAllah!

As Salamu Alaikum

Sister, the ayah you quoted, "Verily, never will Allah change the condition of a people until they change what is within themselves" (Holy Quran 13:11)." is in reference to a group / nation. Else word, "Person" would have been used.

I don't say that the life of a person completely depends on efforts of man, or completely is controlled  by fate. What you called as administered fate, i call it striving for the cause to reach natural fate. However there are some areas of our fate that do change by our duas made.

I do agree that its wrong to accuse or blame Allah swt for any loss of our life .Its not just in Tasawwuf, Islam teaches us not to accuse Allah swt. The cases you discussed for instance a divorce - whats wrong if one says that, it was destined by Allah swt ? Take the case of Zaid bin Harith and Zainab bint Jahsh RA, they were divorced and wished to be separated. It was destined ! However most of the sites share these views of scholars

Scholars derive  that destiny is of two types:

a) Muallaq (revocable):

This destiny is written on �The Preserved Tablet� (al Lawh al Mahfoodh), and is subject to change and alteration through the omission or commission of certain deeds. For example: the lifespan of a person is originally 50 years, but may increase to 60 years if he performs the ritual of Hajj, or a certain calamity is to befall him unless he averts it by spending in charity. This is the destiny refereed to in the aforementioned narration.

b) Mubram (irrevocable):

This destiny denotes the eternal knowledge of Allah. It encompasses the final result of the Muallaq destiny i.e. our choice of actions, their consequences and every precise detail of our lives. This definite knowledge of Allah is not subject to change or alter even slightly and is exclusive to Allah only.

In the light of the above the following may be derived:

Our supplications do change destiny and are of much avail.

Good deeds are a source of increase in ones sustenance, and avert calamities.

Sins result in a decrease in ones sustenance, and invite calamities.

We cannot know what is Muallaq and Mubram of a person. It varies. For instance, to get a job may be Mubram for me and Muallaq for you.

I give my 100% of efforts {these efforts also include my prayers {duas} and strive, finally i get what am destined. I accept any decision of Allah swt that gives me full satisfaction.

64:11. No calamity befalls, but with the Leave [i.e. decision and Qadar (Divine Preordainments) ] of All�h, and whosoever believes in All�h, He guides his heart [to the true Faith with certainty, i.e. what has befallen him was already written for him by All�h from the Qadar (Divine Preordainments) ], and All�h is the All-Knower of everything. "

This ayah would give a muslim lots of support when calamity befalls.

 Else, if i look thru your views,  i may think it was only because of my wrong efforts/approach. While if i take the result as will of Allah swt, am free of any kind of stress. Ofcourse, we need to check our approach, but not all are always wrong !






Edited by seekshidayath - 14 July 2009 at 6:44pm

As Salamu Alaikum

Finally, we are on similar lines . JazakiAllahu khayr for the discussions. I learnt more about fate.