Iran to review woman's stoning verdict - Event Date: 11 July 2010

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      Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, a widow and mother of two children has been sentenced to stoning to death in Tabriz, Iran for "adultery." She was first convicted in May 2006 of having "illicit relationship" with two men following the death of her husband, for which a court in Tabriz sentenced her to 99 lashes.

   Ashtiani's stoning was approved by Iran's Supreme Court. Mohammed Javad Larijani of the "Iran Human Rights Counsel", referring to the outcry in the West over the verdict, stated, "The hue and cry that the West has launched over this case will not affect our judges. The implementation of Islamic regulations, like stoning and the headscarf, have always been faced with their impudently hostility and opposition." 

   Under Islamic rulings, a man is buried up to his waist for stoning, while a woman is buried up to her chest with her hands also buried. Those carrying out the verdict then throw stones until the condemned dies.

   This is type of thing that would take place if the West agreed to adopt the practice of Islamic Sharia Law. 

Edited by Larry - 11 July 2010 at 4:30am

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Larry Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 16 April 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 632	Post Options Post Reply Quote Larry Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Calendar Event: Iran to review woman's stoning verdict Posted: 11 July 2010 at 4:20am
	Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, a widow and mother of two children has been sentenced to stoning to death in Tabriz, Iran for "adultery." She was first convicted in May 2006 of having "illicit relationship" with two men following the death of her husband, for which a court in Tabriz sentenced her to 99 lashes. Ashtiani's stoning was approved by Iran's Supreme Court. Mohammed Javad Larijani of the "Iran Human Rights Counsel", referring to the outcry in the West over the verdict, stated, "The hue and cry that the West has launched over this case will not affect our judges. The implementation of Islamic regulations, like stoning and the headscarf, have always been faced with their impudently hostility and opposition." Under Islamic rulings, a man is buried up to his waist for stoning, while a woman is buried up to her chest with her hands also buried. Those carrying out the verdict then throw stones until the condemned dies. This is type of thing that would take place if the West agreed to adopt the practice of Islamic Sharia Law. Edited by Larry - 11 July 2010 at 4:30am

Gibbs Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 29 April 2009 Status: Offline Points: 939	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gibbs Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 July 2010 at 10:45am
	Larry Although I don't agree with certain Islamic laws these laws nonetheless have been practiced by Jews and Muslims for centuries. In Israel in Judaic law there is also death by stoning for adultery as well! There is no dignified way to die as a criminal. In the west we use gas, electricity, hanging and firing squads.

Hayfa Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Female Joined: 07 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2368	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hayfa Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 July 2010 at 11:19am
	And then there is Gibbs,, the spend the rest of you like in a hell-hople prison. Where some do not see daylight. Cannot have visitors etc. Every society has its punishments. As you say, there is no dignified way for a criminal to die. Edited by Hayfa - 11 July 2010 at 9:23pm
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Gibbs Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 29 April 2009 Status: Offline Points: 939	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gibbs Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 July 2010 at 1:03pm
	I agree

Larry Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 16 April 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 632	Post Options Post Reply Quote Larry Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 July 2010 at 8:40pm
	In Israel in Judaic law there is also death by stoning for adultery as well! There is no dignified way to die as a criminal. In the west we use gas, electricity, hanging and firing squads." The main difference here is that there have been no "stonings" in Israel for 2,000 years. This is the year 2010 C.E., not 2010 B.C.E. Also, I disagree with your characterization of adultery as deserving of dying as a "criminal." You are indeed right that there are executions in the U.S. for capital crimes, but this is only after 10-15 years of mandatory appeals that must be exhausted in appellate courts before implementation of capital punishment can take place. But we don't execute mothers who see "other men" after their husbands die. Adultery in the United States is handled by family courts who determine if a divorce should be granted to the woman or man. We don't brutally beat women or men to death with stones when they have committed no "crimes" against the law. It is a Civil matter, not a criminal one. Edited by Larry - 11 July 2010 at 8:51pm

Larry Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 16 April 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 632	Post Options Post Reply Quote Larry Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 July 2010 at 8:50pm
	Hayfa, I am astonished that, as a woman, you could possibly support the murder of a woman with two children whose only "crime" was in seeing other men after the death of her husband. You justify her death sentence by saying that "every society has it's punishments." This is not "punishment", it is barbarism and cruelty at it's worst, it is reprehensible and revolting to any civilized person. As I said before, this is the year 2010 C.E., not 2010 B.C.E. Edited by Larry - 11 July 2010 at 8:58pm

Hayfa Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Female Joined: 07 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2368	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hayfa Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 July 2010 at 9:43pm
	Actually Larry, I know very little of the specifics of the case. I suspect half of it is political of some sort. They say there are 10 people in prison awaiting stoning and I suspect there are more crimes of adultery, rape drugs, etc going on in Iran. And is any system of punishment free from error and a lack of mercy? Adultery is very hard to prove. For it, 4 witnesses are needed. How many times is it realistic that someone had sex with 4 witnesses? And thus rarely enforceable and should be left up to that person and God. The proof would be so hard to come by -4 witnesses. We are encouraged to have mercy. Interestingly Larry there is a hadith where a man or woman wanted to confess and receive punishment for zina and the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) refused. Let me see if I can find it. He said go and ask forgiveness from God. But for some they want the punishment now, and not in the afterlife. Considering how rare (and thus newsworthy) it is, maybe you don't understand the complexities of shariah law. My guess is it is probably political. That happens everywhere. Yes adultery is not a crime here (or if it is, in some states still, it is not enforced.) But that's the way like is.
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martha Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 30 October 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1140	Post Options Post Reply Quote martha Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 July 2010 at 9:35am
	Interestingly enough, this penal code of stoning was introduced into Iran in 1979 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1293064/British-government-joins-celebrities-bid-save-Iranian-mother-stoning.html?ITO=1490 death penalty handed down on the basis of "judge's knowledge" � a loophole that allows for subjective judicial rulings where no conclusive evidence is present. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/02/iranian- woman-stoning-death-penalty I watched a You tube video the other day of a real life hanging of a 29yr old muslim woman. I did so to see how it affected me. I would not allow an animal to suffer this form of death let alone a human being. In the west we are told that encarceration, execution by legal injection, electricution.etc etc. are all abhorant. Over the past few days the European COurt has banned the extradition of Abu Hamza and Babar Ahmad. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10551784.stm isn't it amazing that such cruel archaic practices as stoning and slow hanging are condoned in muslim countries yet these 2 muslim brothers object to extradition because it breaches their human rights? (please read the above article) It kind of makes them look like whimps. Up until the early 1960's hanging was the prefered capital punishment in the UK. (there is no current death penalty) The most well known hangman was Albert Pierrepoint. He was meticulous with his work in as much as he treated all of the condemned with respect. Each prisoner was weighed and measured so Pierrepoint knew how long the hangmans noose should be. THe idea to severe the spinal cord when the body dropped, to make it as quick as possible. The heart continued to beat however for some time. He washed and dressed the bodies after death. So, with the knowledge that men have these days to execute, why is it necessary to make men/women suffer? Justice often needs to be metered out, but it should be as quick and painless as possible. THe point that a lingering death acts as a deterent doesn't hold sway either. In fact I am not sure any capital punishment prevents people from erring.
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