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    Posted: 25 August 2005 at 1:44am

Asalamwalekum...!

 

 I appologize, if this has been posted before but I was wondering if it is permitted in Islam to marry someone of the Jewish, or Christian faith. My question is, why does this not apply to females...or are they too permitted to marry the people of the book, aslong as certain guidelines are met?

I'm sorry if this upsets anyone's sentiments, but I genuinely would like to know.

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Throughout history, males have been the more dominant sex in the Middle Easter cultures. This was (and still is) true in Arabia. So when a man marries a women, he has more control over his children in terms of how they are brought up. If the man is Muslim, his children are more likely to be Muslim too. If the women is Muslim but the man isn't, then chances are the children would not be brought up as Muslims.

Ever noticed how the pagans always opposed Muhammad because he was changing the religion of "their forefathers."? (e.g. verse 5.104). This shows how it must've been the religion of the fathers that's "inherited".

And to answer your question, yes, Muslim men are allowed to marry any women, provided the children will be brought up as Muslims. Practically though, the wife would most likely convert as well.



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Dues if I may correct you you said:

>>>Muslim men are allowed to marry any women,<<<

Now as you may well know Muslim men are only limited to Jewish and Christian women now as far as the history of that there could be reasons other than what you've stated I don't persume to know that maybe you shouldn't either unless research is done and you are sure.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote human Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 August 2005 at 9:19am
Originally posted by Israfil Israfil wrote:

Now as you may well know Muslim men are only limited to Jewish and Christian women now as far as the history of that there could be reasons other than what you've stated I don't persume to know that maybe you shouldn't either unless research is done and you are sure.

There we go again. So people who are of non-Abrahamic religions are somehow not people? This is nonsense. Allah has created all beings, so how can someone be less than the favored ones.

It seems to me, that the consortium of people who collaborated (I could say conspired, but won't) who wrote Quran, were politically very astute people. They didn't have to deal with the multitudes of Hindus (Indians), Buddhists (Chinese and other orientals) and assortment of other beliefs (Africans, native Americans etc), so they didn't include those people in the faith. The other possibility is that they were unaware of the existence of these people as well. This clearly shows the limitations of Quran.

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There we go again. So people who are of non-Abrahamic religions are somehow not people? This is nonsense. Allah has created all beings, so how can someone be less than the favored ones.

Its sad that we cannot be treated as "human beings".

If a Muslim marries a non-Muslim, especially of non-Abrahamic faith, then she or he is commiting a greatest mistake.  Which directly implies that we non-Muslims are sinners.

But it is better to remember what our own predecessors have said, "Vasudaika kutumbam", "The world is one family."

They didn't have to deal with the multitudes of Hindus (Indians), Buddhists (Chinese and other orientals) and assortment of other beliefs (Africans, native Americans etc), so they didn't include those people in the faith. The other possibility is that they were unaware of the existence of these people as well. This clearly shows the limitations of Quran.

Let me tell you my revelation brother.  All the religions in the East Asia have no conflicts.  Even they don't have any conflicts with the modern religions like Bahai, Theosophy and Scientology(and more important, Sufism).  In this regard I feel light hearted.
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By the way, I like your name sister Sadaf.  Hope you are as good as a pearl.
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they were aware of other cultures, prophet Mohammed (PBUH) said "atlobo il3ilm wlaw fi alseen", seek knowledge even if you have to travel as far as china they were aware of china; also there are verses in the Quran that speak of how those who have genuinely no  knowledge of the Quran or Islam will not be punished, I don't think that applies to anyone modern day.
It is simple God created us, he gave us free will, he said he created us in tribes and cities to know of one another , there are no distinctions between an Arab to a none Arab except "bitaqwa" Aka piety. Abrahamic religions put an end to paganism, and it makes sense to not create fitna and be on the ignorance of the predecessors, yes I call it ignorance to create false deities and pray to them is ignorance, though people are entitled to it if they wish to pray to the sun or a cow it is their prerogative. there is no compulsion in religion but it makes sense not to want to raise your children confused. In Mesopotamia in the olden days people used Mecca as a place for false God's and deities, indeed pagans existed to that part of the world as they did else where and it is said that the end of the world will not come until the pagan women of Yemen go on brining their false god's in Mecca again, it is one of the signs of the end of the world "wallah a3lam" There is wisdom in the Quran, if you wish to follow it, it is ultimately for your own good, if not it is your prerogative no one is forcing it on you. If you go to a doctor for ankylosing spondylitis  I think you would want him to know and FOLLOW the protocol for that ailment and not treat you for let's say Temporal Arteritis because it exists and he shouldn't discriminate between diagnosis. Allah(SWT) prescribed for us the right formula, you can choose to follow it or ignore it. each soul to its own deeds it held captive. so argue all you want of the things you deem to be politically incorrect.
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Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,

Originally posted by human human wrote:

Originally posted by Israfil Israfil wrote:

Now as you may well know Muslim men are only limited to Jewish and Christian women now as far as the history of that there could be reasons other than what you've stated I don't persume to know that maybe you shouldn't either unless research is done and you are sure.

There we go again. So people who are of non-Abrahamic religions are somehow not people?

Hmm. Either your comprehension is bad or mine. However I am unable to read in the above statement any insinuation towards polytheists as "non-human".

Could you please help me understand the methodology that let u arrive to this conclusion ?

Originally posted by human human wrote:

This is nonsense. Allah has created all beings, so how can someone be less than the favored ones.

Ofcourse concluding the difference in faith as somehow making a person "lesser" in anatomy and physiology than the usual homo sapiens should be regarded as nonsense if not a deliberate attempt to falsify intentions.

Originally posted by human human wrote:

It seems to me, that the consortium of people who collaborated (I could say conspired, but won't) who wrote Quran, were politically very astute people. They didn't have to deal with the multitudes of Hindus (Indians), Buddhists (Chinese and other orientals) and assortment of other beliefs (Africans, native Americans etc), so they didn't include those people in the faith. The other possibility is that they were unaware of the existence of these people as well. This clearly shows the limitations of Quran.

The Quran addresses as "ya bani adam"  ie O children of Adam. ... now are you yourself telling the forum that people of other faiths are not children of Adam?

Then it goes to classify the children of Adam further to Bani isreal, Nasara, Kafiroon, mushriqoon, Fasiqoon, Mu'minoon. You think the polytheists are not addressed in the Quran, but then you did not even read a simple comment posted here correctly ... so no surprise.

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